we're really good on the justice part

By Diogenes (articles ) | Nov 20, 2007

Clueless in Seattle:

Jesuit Father Patrick Howell, Seattle University's vice president for Mission and Ministry and chair of the university's Catholic Character task force, said that Thursday's lecture was one component of a larger effort on the part of the university to strengthen its Catholic culture.

"This is part of a continuing conversation that we need to have around the Catholic character of Seattle University, and we're very committed to that," Father Howell said. "The Jesuit commitment is to the faith that does justice. I think we're really good on the justice part; what we need to do is much more exploration about faith and its grounding, especially in the Catholic tradition."

Try this idea. Why not bring in an order of Roman Catholic priests who are, you know, trained in that faith thing?

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  • Posted by: - Nov. 21, 2007 1:14 PM ET USA

    Of course it would be interesting to know what Fr. H means by the "justice part." My fear is that the "justice part" would be warmed-over liberation theology etc.,etc. Of course if the "faith and its grounding were in play" the justice part would include teaching on the cardinal virtue of justice and all its ramifications. More evidence of the continuing crisis in the Society of Jesus and Catholic higher education.

  • Posted by: - Nov. 21, 2007 6:53 AM ET USA

    This is akin to a bunch of CEOs of fast food chains holding an urgent conference on the decline of wholesome dining. They not only created the problem they claim to want to solve (probably motivated by on-going complaints of faithful Catholics), but they reveled in it, and continue to! (Does "The Vagina Monologues" fall under "faith" or "justice?") Meanwhile, there's a battalion of good Jesuits who could go set them straight, if they were allowed out of exile long enough.

  • Posted by: - Nov. 20, 2007 10:25 PM ET USA

    Gil is right, but at the same time, if a Marine colonel got in front of a microphone and said that all his men needed to do was get a little more grounded in that fighting stuff (especially in the, you know, like, "military" tradition), I'd be less inclined to congratulate him for his introspection than I would be to demand his resignation.

  • Posted by: - Nov. 20, 2007 8:28 PM ET USA

    Despite all the order's problems, I believe there is a significant cadre within who perceive the order's true dilemma: either (1) reform, or (2) disintegrate.

  • Posted by: - Nov. 20, 2007 7:00 PM ET USA

    Isn't Fr. Mitch Pacwa of the Jesuit persuasion? Couldn't he be helpful in this?

  • Posted by: - Nov. 20, 2007 6:53 PM ET USA

    I must say I agree with Gil. Please read the article. Whether there is real seriousness of the sort that involves follow-through or not, only time will tell. But I am heartened that there is a Jesuit-run University somewhere that realizes there is a serious problem and is attempting to reclaim its "Catholicity".

  • Posted by: - Nov. 20, 2007 4:41 PM ET USA

    This is one of the rare (perhaps annual) times I have to disagree with Diogenes. If you read the article linked to, it shows they are really thinking about it. They seem to admit the problem, and see clearly what's behind it, and even have some intention of doing something about it. Unlike, so far as I know, the majority of their brother Jesuit schools.

  • Posted by: - Nov. 20, 2007 1:48 PM ET USA

    "The Jesuit commitment is to the faith that does justice." I don't get this . . . is this a subset of faith? Is there a faith that does injustice? Or a faith that just doesn't give a hoot? If I'm Catholic but I'm not out e.g., organizing agriculture workers to strike for higher wages, is my faith of an inferior sort? Does it even count as faith?

  • Posted by: - Nov. 20, 2007 1:41 PM ET USA

    " . . . especially in the Catholic tradition." Yeah, that Catholic stuff. You know, what that Pope guy does. Or something like that.

  • Posted by: - Nov. 20, 2007 1:37 PM ET USA

    Let's see not good on the faith thing ...................................50 million in damages Can the Oregon Province connect the dots?

  • Posted by: - Nov. 20, 2007 12:51 PM ET USA

    I cannot believe what I just read. It is absolutely astounding. Pray for the Jesuits!