We shall overcome. Maybe. More or less.

By Diogenes (articles ) | Jul 18, 2005

The Archbishop of Dublin is giving a speech, and his topic is: "Will Ireland be Christian in 2030?" You think that you can safely predict his answer to that question.

Think again.

Archbishop Martin is very smart. If you don't know that before his speech begins, he'll take the opportunity to remind you. And at times it's a trial to work with people who are so… Well, let the archbishop speak for himself:

As Archbishop of Dublin I am surprised at the superficiality and the anecdotal evidence I am presented with when I ask about concrete pastoral options and about the situation of the faith in Ireland.

Then, having accused others of superficiality, the archbishop proceeds to dismiss concerns about dwindling Mass attendance:

What political party would be gasping for breath if it were told, not only that it had the support of 60% of the population, but that 60% of the population attended Cumman meetings every week! There is no room for complacency, but Christianity is healthily present in Irish society.

There! See? If it's good enough for a political party, it's good enough for the Mystical Body of Christ. No complacency here, by golly!

But I digress. Let's move on to the point. Will Ireland be Christian in 2030? Our fearless leader replies:

I would be very surprised if in the year 2030 Ireland was a totally pagan land…

Hmm. Not quite the ringing, confident assurance you expected? Maybe that's because I broke off the quote in mid-sentence. Here's the rest:

… if there was not residual presence in Irish society of the values of Christianity and that that presence was not the major inspiration for the ethos of the country, even though it would be a question of generalized adherence to such an ethos with a generous range of interpretation and tolerance regarding what that ethos actually implies.

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  • Posted by: extremeCatholic - Jul. 19, 2005 4:59 PM ET USA

    This is a Mario Cuomo speech: a 20/20 vision of what's wrong and why he can't do a thing to reverse the outcome. Anointed bishop of Dublin, he boldly proclaims his own despair, futility, and impotence. If he weren't so arrogant, one could even pity him. If he were a betting man, would he be betting on the pagans?

  • Posted by: - Jul. 19, 2005 11:53 AM ET USA

    Would St. Paul recoginze or claim the current Abp of Dublin? Or might there be a short lecture ala vs Peter in the Acts of the Apostles? Would John the evangelist be welcoming or shunning the Dublin Abp? On the other hand, if 60% of the Irish were Democrats, but only 10% showed up to vote, would the Democratic party be gasping for breath? I can't speak for Ireland, but in Daly's Chicago, the blood and corpses of committeeman and precinct captains would be all over the street!

  • Posted by: - Jul. 19, 2005 11:45 AM ET USA

    This is the kind of codswallop that the faithful in Ireland have had to listen to for the last 30 years.There has been a collapse in the faith and its practice largely brought on by woeful catechesis and episcopal and clerical scandals that are every bit as shocking as anything experienced in the US.This archbishop is a recent appointment straight from a nice Vatican post.We thought he would be an improvement..but then he did serve for most of his career with Justice and Peace. Res ipsa loquitur

  • Posted by: - Jul. 19, 2005 8:40 AM ET USA

    Lord have mercy on the poor Irish, stuck with such a Bishop...

  • Posted by: - Jul. 18, 2005 5:34 PM ET USA

    He's my gyros.