our ailing polish pontiff

By Diogenes (articles ) | Feb 16, 2005

"The only thing wrong with that bloody Turk was that he couldn't shoot straight!"
-- Irish Jesuit, May 13th 1981, lamenting the failure of the Pope's would-be assassin.

Lots of liberal Catholics who have heretofore not distinguished themselves by respect for the Pope or esteem for Catholic doctrine are now calling for John Paul II to resign for the good of the Church. Let's see if I can grasp their reasoning.

  • The Pope has always been out of touch with the contemporary world, whence his ailments, sadly, put him out of touch with the contemporary world.

  • No one pays any attention to the Pope. His illness, therefore, means he's no longer able to take a leadership role in world affairs.

  • Post-Conciliar Catholics don't consult external authority but are guided by their inner religious experience, accordingly it's a tragedy that the Pope is unable to govern.

  • The papacy itself is an anachronism, to be replaced by regional churchlets, thus we need a young, vigorous pope to hold the international organization together.

Remember Chaucer's personification of Hypocrisy? "The smiler with the knife under the cloak."

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  • Posted by: - Feb. 22, 2005 9:30 PM ET USA

    PSUEDO!!! How many logical fallacies must we endure??? Just because MEASURE FOR MEASURE is about sexual impropriety does not mean that HAMLET is not about the abuse of power. We have plenty of both in our haunted Catholic Church, don't we? Try to be fair, Pseudo. Nice quip from HAMLET. Take it to heart.

  • Posted by: - Feb. 22, 2005 11:15 AM ET USA

    unpathedhunt. Methinks you doth protest too much. http://www.city-journal.org/html/13_4_oh_to_be.html

  • Posted by: - Feb. 17, 2005 10:12 PM ET USA

    Dear Psuedo, You are guilty of the logical fallacy "Ad hominem," by deriding a person instead of addressing the argument. With regard to Polonius, you have missed the point. Sexual sins are the symptoms of a larger dilemma in the Church, that of witnessing to the truth. We would do well to face the reality of the Church's sinfulness directly, unlike Polonius who, like many cowards, concealed the truth to act out his own selfish ambition. How many bishops, APPOINTED BY THE POPE, have done that?

  • Posted by: - Feb. 17, 2005 7:20 PM ET USA

    Altar boy et. al. need to read this; it might give them some perspective as to just what is really going on: http://www.udayton.edu/mary/questions/yq/yq192.html Who proclaimed Year of the Rosary & Year of the Eucharist? JP2 is doing exactly what he's supposed to do to get us home & won't be distracted. Question for you is, which of the ships are you gonna be on: the faithful escorts, the bombthrowers, or the "I ran away" crowd? (See http://www.theotokos.org.uk/pages/fatima/donbosco.html)

  • Posted by: Fr. William - Feb. 17, 2005 12:45 PM ET USA

    Good insights, as usual, Diogenes. As I write this, I am printing a copy to bring to my next vicariate meeting (you know, when all the priests & religious & whoever else the vicar invites gather to talk about how wonderful "their" "ministry" is going...) & I'm looking forward to sharing it with the nun who is a member of Call to Action, & with her unorthodox pastor who has her preaching heresy at the time of the homily once/month.

  • Posted by: - Feb. 17, 2005 12:43 PM ET USA

    I am the wife of this wonderful poster, First off, the ailments of the Holy Father is an example of preserving life until natural death. It is a true testament for choicing life. It is a fight against Euthansia, which in most cases not mercy, but an execution and will eventually lead to automatic executions to the infirm and elderly. The Pope does function and has profound wisdom. It is those under him who operate under disobedience because of their own free will which cause the abuses.

  • Posted by: - Feb. 17, 2005 12:25 AM ET USA

    I see the amateur thespians in the crowd are getting a little fired up, looking for our Pope's head on a stick. Before we swing the scimitar, however, I believe that MEASURE FOR MEASURE is a much more insightful play as it regards sexual malfeasance. The Hamlet reference looks overwrought and the Sunday punch of the unschooled fighter. For shame.

  • Posted by: - Feb. 16, 2005 9:32 PM ET USA

    Hi altar boy.. Athanasius here. How true how true. The problem with the heretical unorthodox (liberals) is that they are too greedy, they want to see the destruction of the Church in their life times.

  • Posted by: - Feb. 16, 2005 7:25 PM ET USA

    OH, Diogenes, you want to use Chaucer's personification of HYPOCRISY to defend the Catholic Church? Chaucer, who exposed the Catholic Church's abuse of power in a Monk, a Pardoner, a Summoner, and a Friar? I ask, why are you willing to indict Bishops TODAY for their abuse of power but not indict the Pope, who has fostered and controlled the institution you now serve? You might be better off to consider Polonius from HAMLET. Now there's a DECEITFUL guy who took the "knife under the cloak."

  • Posted by: Gil125 - Feb. 16, 2005 7:15 PM ET USA

    I've been busy today and havn't got to CWN till the end of the day. I was formulating a response to this item as I was reading---and then came upon altar boy's, which made it unnecessary for me to write. (I do so anyway just to endorse a.b.'s view.)

  • Posted by: - Feb. 16, 2005 9:55 AM ET USA

    If I were a liberal Catholic, I’d want this Polish Pope to sit firmly in the Chair of Peter forever! And why not? For 25 years now, liberals have gotten virtually everything they ever wanted: Protestantized worship (fellowship and community instead of sacrifice and prayer); secularization of the clerical ranks, modernized catechesis (nothing is decided--everything is open to debate); individual conscience over fidelity to doctrine; faith--but never works; and, oh yes, altar girls.

  • Posted by: - Feb. 16, 2005 9:20 AM ET USA

    It is also clear from the record that, even as little as this Pope has chosen to actually govern, without the Pope the Roman Catholic Church in Europe and North America would have long ago joined the General Synod of the Culture of Death as has the Church of England noted below.

  • Posted by: - Feb. 16, 2005 8:27 AM ET USA

    Liberal is not a bad term in itself, as in, the bartender poured a liberal shot of cognac into my snifter. So called liberal Catholics themselves often eschew the term, preferring to refer to their positions with the fiction of being progressives. I suppose that could be said for them, if it is progress to coast down a rather slippery slope. The only fitting, yet charitable, term for them really is nominal--as in though baptized, his nominal Catholicism made him feel more like a Unitarian.