limpid in Lagos

By Jeff Ziegler (articles ) | Oct 05, 2003

Cardinal-designate Okogie of Lagos, who has not minced words about feminine attire, has made equally unnuanced comments about Protestant Pentecostalism and the Catholic charismatic movement. According to today's Johannesburg Sunday Times:

Okogie has also attacked the country's rapidly expanding Pentecostal churches. "Empty barrels, they say, make the greatest noise," he once described them. "Some will tell you they work miracles. These things are not meant for advertisement. Even in the time of our Lord Himself, He never put out billboards to say, 'I am going to work miracles . . . His good works followed him.'"

He has also expressed disapproval of the rise of the charismatic movement within the Catholic Church - especially when it came to dancing during services. As he put it, "You can move your legs - right and centre. But not coming to raise your legs and be shouting, 'Hey! Hey!' That is rubbish!"

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  • Posted by: John J Plick - Oct. 08, 2003 5:21 PM ET USA

    Not any excuse to exclude them all. Enough said. JP

  • Posted by: - Oct. 08, 2003 4:10 PM ET USA

    As a former charismatic Catholic (now only a Catholic) I have great sympathy for the charismatic enthusiasm and zeal. But a lot of them start to go the deep end and that’s why I left. They start to see all of their ideas and thoughts as “the lord said”, they get into slaying in the Spirit as a quasi-sacrament, and many turn to esoteric and exotic doctrines like name it and claim it, power of the name, etc. Perhaps not all charismatic end up doing things like that, but many go that way.

  • Posted by: John J Plick - Oct. 07, 2003 9:08 PM ET USA

    Dear Karen, I believe you missed the phrase that states, "He also expressed disapproval of the rise of the charismatic movement within the Catholic Church..." I was trying to be kind in my first remark, but obviously his Emminence's remark has already begun to have its destructive effect. He (the Cardinal) clearly has a negative attitude toward the WHOLE Catholic charismatic movement, and this for me (as I am a Catholic charismatic) is a matter of grave concern.

  • Posted by: - Oct. 06, 2003 12:32 PM ET USA

    Cardinal Okogie for pope!

  • Posted by: - Oct. 06, 2003 10:30 AM ET USA

    The problem with not arguing with the extreme cases is that too often left unchallenged they become mainstream ordinary. When people become comfortable enough with the previous extreme as ordinary, the next extreme starts gnawing at the edges of the mainstream. Where and at what point do we begin challenging the destructive extreme?

  • Posted by: John J Plick - Oct. 05, 2003 5:47 PM ET USA

    And Jeff, I suppose you would condemn the existence of the ENTIRE Catholic Church on the basis of the current sexual scandals. I apprreciate the good Cardinals's concern for extremism, but arbitrary condemnation on the basis of extreme cases is a very bad argument.