Walter Mitty, call the rectory

By Diogenes (articles ) | Aug 08, 2006

Kathy Sullivan Vandenberg, who thinks she's a priest, also thinks she's an expert in ecclesiology. Threatened with excommunication by Archbishop Timothy Dolan, she explains matters to the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel:

Of official efforts to sever her ties to the church. Vandenberg said: "Excommunication is simply a punishment. That doesn't mean I'm excluded from the church. Only I can exclude myself."

Aha! Thanks for clearing that up, Kathy. (Hmmm. ex/communicare I wonder if they teach Latin, too, at the Womenpriest seminary.)

Did I ever mention that I'm the shortstop for the Phillies? Some narrow-minded, judgmental, patriarchal bigot turned me away from the players' entrance last night. But that doesn't matter. I'm still the shortstop and I'll be the shortstop for as long as I want to be.

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  • Posted by: - Aug. 12, 2006 12:08 AM ET USA

    Is it true that when they "ordain" women "priests" that they use the material from burnt bras to form the incense?

  • Posted by: - Aug. 12, 2006 12:07 AM ET USA

    Only in your Field of Dreams, Diogenes.

  • Posted by: - Aug. 11, 2006 4:07 PM ET USA

    Your example brings to mind my true story: When I was 12, I loved basketball and wanted to be on the Knicks. After all, I was sure that God called me to play for the Knicks. I can still shoot 90% from the free throw line. Shaq has never hit 50% My only problem was that I only grew to 5'8". I wonder if the M J-S would print a story about how narrow minded the NBA is? Ok, this is more of a vent than a comment but like the songs says, "you can't always get what you want."

  • Posted by: Fatimabeliever - Aug. 10, 2006 9:24 PM ET USA

    Telling it like it is: these women prefer to act like EVE. They don't care if they've committed sin and are in the process of loosing their souls. They prefer not to be like the Blessed Virgin Mary who is 100 times more a women then they are. The Blessed Virgin Mary knew how to please God and have God come first that's why she is called Blessed from generation to generation!!! These women will be forgotten and only remembered as sinners who's pride got the best of them.

  • Posted by: parochus - Aug. 10, 2006 3:17 AM ET USA

    The most obvious delict here is Ms. Vandenberg's attempting the Sacrifice of the Mass (can. 1378, §2, 1°), which incurs a latae sententiae *interdict*, which means that she is forbidden to receive the sacraments (see can. 1331). Since there has been a grave public scandal, the Archbishop can further declare that she is excommunicated. Unless she appeals her excommunication, the Holy See need not be involved in this LOCAL matter, since the delict is not reserved to the Holy See

  • Posted by: - Aug. 09, 2006 4:39 PM ET USA

    How cruel. Here's this ______, _____ (Fill in the blanks) who's trying to ___, ______ (Fill in the blanks) while claiming that she's been _______, _____ (Fill in the blanks) and has the clothes to prove it, is now faced with sexist negative comments from the males in the organization she belongs to, all because she appears in public garbed in the same clothes they wear. The very idea that she has to pass some sort of physical examination before being allowed to wear such garments and perform the services listed in the job description is discriminatory, and the fact that the results of those services are not valid and have no theological and ecclesiastical credibility is irrelevant and make no difference to her. I suggest she contact the ACLU before Catholics United To Impale Theomania's Oldest Utterly Tedious Notion: Ordaining Women CUTITOUTNOW contacts her. They play for keeps. The Abbessa

  • Posted by: - Aug. 09, 2006 2:25 PM ET USA

    Parochus, you hit it on the head. What you have said, and said very well, speaks volumes. Please, everyone, read his post very closely.

  • Posted by: Eleazar - Aug. 09, 2006 12:33 PM ET USA

    Altar boy, I agree. Personally, I’d like to see some bold bishop perform the entire Excommunication rite, complete with the part where the assembled clergy turn their candles upside down and stamp out the flames on the floor, a la the movie “Becket.”

  • Posted by: - Aug. 09, 2006 11:45 AM ET USA

    Please, Leo, don’t denigrate Wicca--remember the spirit of Vatican II, and all that--by implying that these womyn are dues-paying members of that ancient religion. (Or is that a non-religion?) Anyway, Dolan didn’t actually excommunicate any of them; he only threatened them with the prospect of excommunication by some bureaucratic red hat in the Vatican. I’ll bet these woymn are shaking in their boots.

  • Posted by: - Aug. 09, 2006 11:40 AM ET USA

    parochus: I "think" that it is that she excommunicates herself, and that this was communicated to her by Dolan. Due to the gravity of her offense, the only way she could ever get back into the Church is through the Vatican (i.e., not through congession); aiders and supporters can re-enter grace through confession. Dolan, first speaking privately to her, then going public, saying what he said, seems to have done this by the book with all charity and courage.

  • Posted by: - Aug. 09, 2006 10:40 AM ET USA

    As the currently reigning Holy Roman Emperor, I hereby ratify Archbishop Dolan's excommunication of this Wiccan priestess!

  • Posted by: - Aug. 09, 2006 8:48 AM ET USA

    I have a miter and a big stick, can I be a Bishop? I can find a nice big chair too. PS. Uncle Di, are do you have any baseball cards of yourself? A great collectable.

  • Posted by: parochus - Aug. 09, 2006 3:43 AM ET USA

    As the Ordinary of Milwaukee, Dolan HIMSELF needs to declare the excommunication. Pawning this off on the "Vatican" is part of a continuing refusal of American bishops to make decisions that are the DIRECT COMPETENCE of the local Ordinary. Further, constantly making the Holy See the "bad guy" clouds the vision of the Church in the eyes of American Catholics. Ms. Vandenberg could make recourse against Dolan's decree to the Holy See, but the first disciplinary move needs to be DOLAN's.

  • Posted by: - Aug. 08, 2006 10:41 PM ET USA

    After seeing St. John's Abbey allow a deacon who was "automatically excommunicated" become an oblate it is clear that auto. excom. is a spiritual state, not a material state. A canon lawyer backed up that observation and said that if a public statement is not made concerning the person and excommunication, then it is meaningless - materially speaking. We are playing a new game folks, and the dissenters are unmaking all the rules via relativism. To them "spiritual state = their feelings."

  • Posted by: - Aug. 08, 2006 8:27 PM ET USA

    Normnuke, Lately we heard of a Mass where a nun stood up and said, "Well, It looks like Father is running a little bit late. So let us begin Mass in the name of the Father..." The priest eventually appeared. As a stategy for women "priests" actually prevailing in the West, this is probably the way to go, gradually but relentlessly. Getting themselves formally excommunicated would also be very helpful, since it would confer victim status, and make the inquisition rhetoric available.

  • Posted by: - Aug. 08, 2006 6:22 PM ET USA

    The pews of NO parishes are full of progressives who are ready to give standing ovation support to (for instance) priests who joyfully proclaim their active homosexualism. What will happen when the likes of Father Kathy simply marches up the aisle in her Rainbow chasuble and starts saying mass and the choir and lectors support her?

  • Posted by: TheJournalist64 - Aug. 08, 2006 5:47 PM ET USA

    In the article, Vandenberg complains that the Archbishop is paying attention to her schismatic and heretical actions when he has "more important things" to do. 1) what is more important than protecting the faithful from invalid sacramental scams, particularly when the perp is advertised in the Milwaukee Sentinel 2) this sounds suspiciously like the Democrat talking points around the time the same-sex amendment came up in the Senate. . .

  • Posted by: - Aug. 08, 2006 3:23 PM ET USA

    No wonder Vandenberg doesn't feel compelled to obey Dolan. From the gist of the original article he has no guts. He's like a parent who tells the child "don't" and, after counting to three, basically does nothing.

  • Posted by: - Aug. 08, 2006 3:06 PM ET USA

    Special Ops: Automatic excommunication aside, don’t you think it’s vital for the Church to issue a formal decree of excommunication citing each and every one of these phony bishops and priests? I do. Abp. Lefebvre was formally excommunicated for conferring valid (albeit illicit) Orders. I assume the Pope thought that was an important thing to do. Here’s something far more scandalous and dangerous to the Church and all the ordinary says is that this lady might be excommunicated. Double standard?

  • Posted by: Fr. William - Aug. 08, 2006 1:00 PM ET USA

    Great analogy, Diogenes. You are hitting some awesome home runs as of late. By the way, isn't Ms. K.S.Vandenberg AUTOMATICALLY excommunicated, since she has clearly spoken & acted in a manner totally opposed to Roman Catholic Church teaching? Abp. Dolan does not have to wait for Rome to answer. It's already done. He must know this. What is he waiting for? This is a teachable moment about Holy Orders & obedience, Abp. Dolan. You are a Successor to the Apostles. Teach us. Please.

  • Posted by: - Aug. 08, 2006 12:15 PM ET USA

    Too bad, Di! The Phillies sure could use your help.

  • Posted by: - Aug. 08, 2006 12:12 PM ET USA

    Diogenes, kudo's on the call up from AAA, is it possible to get an autograph? When is the next road trip to Milwaukee, perhaps we could meet at Mother Vandenberg's "Church" for a nice "Communal Supper"

  • Posted by: - Aug. 08, 2006 11:31 AM ET USA

    God bless AB Timothy Dolan. Does anyone think Weakland would have done this?