"I decided to terminate you ..."

By Diogenes (articles ) | Jun 01, 2006

Gerald Augustinus displays some still-smoking guns pertinent to the Atrocity of the Bended Knee.

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  • Posted by: - Jun. 04, 2006 4:43 PM ET USA

    All of you are missing the real significance of this story -- it appears that mortal sin is finally making a comeback! I have not heard a parish priest mention mortal sin since Vatican II. If Fr. Tran's groundbreaking threat signals the beginning of a "retro" trend to bring back mortal sin, the next thing you know, we'll start hearing about the sacrament of penance again (because there will finally be something to confess)! Will recalcitrant kneelers be denied Communion for their public sin?

  • Posted by: - Jun. 03, 2006 3:04 AM ET USA

    One question: Is Fr Martin Tran a bully, or is he simply full of bull?

  • Posted by: Fr. William - Jun. 03, 2006 1:15 AM ET USA

    Pete: Thanks for you comment. Please note that I was simply stating that Bp. Tod & Fr. Tran are not only trying to prevent people from kneeling after the "Angus Dei," threatening folks with terms like "mortal sin," but they're also trying to prevent parishioners from kneeling at the time of Holy Communion. They're going after devout parishioners who simply & profoundly want to show reverence for Jesus in the Holy Eucharist. May God have mercy on such abusive bishops/priests.

  • Posted by: rpp - Jun. 02, 2006 7:17 PM ET USA

    Fr. Tran's actions are to held up as examples of tolerance and a celebration of diversity. After all he welcomes different points of view and those who disagree with him on this must be eliminated. I particularly liked the formality of his closing in the letters, "thanks a lot".

  • Posted by: - Jun. 02, 2006 1:16 PM ET USA

    Father Martin Tran is correct ,the Mass is a public worship.The Pope is concerned about the Priests saying the Holy Mass correctly. Some priests and Bishops in the U. S. do not say the Mass correctly as directed by CDF. Rome is not concerned, if the faithful kneel or stand. As we speak, Bishop "T"in the USA does not want to obey a Cardinal in Rome who is correcting him on the proper way to say the Liturgy.To humble oneself and kneel for Jesus is common sense, which is scarce, among USA Bishops.

  • Posted by: - Jun. 02, 2006 1:12 PM ET USA

    My old eyes may not be as good as they used to be, but I believe the "Mortal Sin" occurred for kneeling at the "Ecce Agnus Dei" (Behold the Lamb of God) rather than while receiving Communion. Yes, Rome has already said it is all right to kneel while receiving Communion. Absolutely wonderful that our Church has decided it hasn't driven off enough people yet. Such wonderful "shepherds" really need to be encouraged rather than chastised. Let's keep picking on the elderly and the youth!

  • Posted by: - Jun. 02, 2006 12:35 PM ET USA

    Ecce, homo hereticus

  • Posted by: - Jun. 02, 2006 8:02 AM ET USA

    Now we know why immigrant priests just don't get it.

  • Posted by: - Jun. 01, 2006 8:17 PM ET USA

    What a tragedy - and it's nearly unbelievable.

  • Posted by: Fr. William - Jun. 01, 2006 8:16 PM ET USA

    Bp. Tod & Fr. Tran must realize that Catholics in Orange County are members of the Roman Catholic Church, not the Orange catholic church; so the bishop & his lackey should stop abusing the people with their personal interpretations of the Church's liturgy. Holy Father, please stop the abuse of the Catholics in Orange at their hands of their traitorous bishop & priests who are loyal to him (and thus disloyal to Rome). e.g.: Bp. Tod has been filmed forcing a person to stand to receive Communion.

  • Posted by: Fr. William - Jun. 01, 2006 8:09 PM ET USA

    I heard that Fr. Tran once rode a bicycle down the center aisle of a church during Mass. So much for "liturgical norms." Let us pray that someone in the Orange Diocese will remind Bp. Tod "with one d" Brown & his lackey, Fr. Tran, that Peter has already spoken on this matter. The Holy Father clearly stated that a person may receive Holy Communion while standing or on their knees; that people may kneel in church & cannot be forced to stand. 2 words for Bp. Tod & Fr. Tran: Obey Peter.

  • Posted by: Fr T (UK) - Jun. 01, 2006 6:30 PM ET USA

    Fr Tran should have the exclamation mark key disabled on his PC - his excessive use of it is just plain abuse!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Posted by: - Jun. 01, 2006 5:08 PM ET USA

    Communion may be taken in the hand or on the tongue while standing or kneeling. The choice is that of the communicant.

  • Posted by: Charles134 - Jun. 01, 2006 4:49 PM ET USA

    Yeah, I know, for some reason I thought that was funny. There was a pun using "rite" in there somewhere but I took the lazy way out. The important thing is that the link really puts a human face (two, actually) on the issue and that now is the time for beseiging. (word?)

  • Posted by: NonSumDignus - Jun. 01, 2006 3:09 PM ET USA

    Charles: And I couldn't resist this: didn't you mean "it's not right"? Parables about motes and beams come to mind but I'll resist pointing that out.

  • Posted by: Charles134 - Jun. 01, 2006 1:40 PM ET USA

    The link posts a heart-rending letter from two parishioners (an elderly married couple) to the Apostolic Nuncio. I am firmly on their side and I know that it's not write to point out other people's typos, but this is too good to resist: They "beseige" the Nuncio to convince the anti-kneeling brigade to back off. Presumably, they meant "beseech." Perhaps the Holy Spirit guided those typing fingers. I think the time for beseeching has past and that now is indeed the time for beseiging.