imposing an agenda?

By Diogenes (articles ) | Apr 08, 2006

John Allen interviews Bishop Donald Trautman on the new translation of the Mass:

Further, the [proposed translation of the] First Eucharistic Prayer refers to a "precious chalice," not a "cup," an instance, Trautman argued, of "imposing an agenda" on what the Bible actually says.

Accipiens et hunc praeclarum calicem, reads the Roman Missal, in sanctas ac venerabiles manus suas.

So, Excellency, who's "imposing an agenda" here? The ancient authors of the Roman Canon? The popes ancient and modern who reconfirmed and promulgated it? The pressmen and compositors at the Editrice Vaticana who did the paste-up for the latest Editio typica?

... or might it possibly be the case that the wicker basket and Crate & Barrel glassware in use at the JUSTICE & PEACE-THEMED LITURGY at which you are presiding below express a eucharistic theology that doesn't dovetail especially well with the Roman Canon?

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  • Posted by: - Apr. 10, 2006 11:48 PM ET USA

    Somebody tell the bishop that vaudeville is dead! Bill Cosby could do a better job of it at that. Why not restore the English translation of the Tridentine Mass?

  • Posted by: - Apr. 09, 2006 6:18 PM ET USA


  • Posted by: - Apr. 09, 2006 1:51 PM ET USA

    Are those lava lamps on opposite ends of the table?

  • Posted by: - Apr. 09, 2006 7:34 AM ET USA

    No wonder that the Trautman's of the world live in mortal fear of the SSPX, FSSP and the Latin Mass. If the traditional Latin Mass is made generally available the Trautmans are out of business and the Church restored.

  • Posted by: - Apr. 08, 2006 9:00 PM ET USA

    "Bishop Trautman sez ""We can't motivate priests to go out and explain these texts unless they're convinced the changes are really necessary,"" Three questions, your Peace and Justice themed Grace: (1) Whose fault is that? (2) What do you mean we? (Insert old joke about Tonto and the Lone Ranger surrounded by 1,000 apache warriors) (3) Do your priests have lash marks like the priests and bishops at the Council of Niceae?

  • Posted by: - Apr. 08, 2006 8:23 PM ET USA

    "Clorox", you're hilarious! And actually, I think most of the comments on this one are just as good as the Uncle Di original article! Thanks for the laughs, guys. I don't feel so lonely as a Catholic when you're all around!

  • Posted by: - Apr. 08, 2006 7:56 PM ET USA

    I don't believe the Vatican is ignorant of these abuses. Put together an encyclopedic collection of them, send it to Rome and watch, wait, and pray for "the cavalry" to arrive! (Don't hold your breath!) When these issues are important to Rome, these bishops will be deposed. While you are waiting, ask yourself why the Pope has such a hard time immediately establishing a canonical structure to protect traditional Catholics from such wolves. So far, the pope is nice, but not very heroic.

  • Posted by: - Apr. 08, 2006 4:33 PM ET USA

    "I was in a parish for five years". that's a telling prepositional phrase. Generally, one *serves* in a parish, rather than just, say describing it in this mode, which gives a whiff of internment.

  • Posted by: - Apr. 08, 2006 2:53 PM ET USA

    "I was in a parish for five years," Trautman says, justifying his perspective on liturgical reformation. Five WHOLE years? Oh my gosh! No wonder he knows so much about people!

  • Posted by: - Apr. 08, 2006 2:48 PM ET USA

    Trautman is guilty of consubstance abuse.

  • Posted by: - Apr. 08, 2006 2:35 PM ET USA

    Well you do work miracles, Di! Who else could get me to read an article in the NNIAWCR (National Not In Any Way Catholic Reporter).

  • Posted by: Estel - Apr. 08, 2006 1:50 PM ET USA

    Ironic that when it comes to a proper translation, we cannot expect the priest to catechize the congregation as to what the meaning of the word is. However, if a communicant should happen to genuflect before receiving Holy Communion, then the required approach is to make sure that the offender is properly trained about correct posture and being in unity with the assembly. A contradiction of requirements, but I guess it depends on what is important - the mundane and banal or the divine and sacred

  • Posted by: - Apr. 08, 2006 1:20 PM ET USA

    Bishop Trautman sez ""We can't motivate priests to go out and explain these texts unless they're convinced the changes are really necessary," It's hard enough to get them to stay in the rectory on Friday nights.

  • Posted by: Clorox - Apr. 08, 2006 11:13 AM ET USA

    "Consubtantial" shouldn't be used during Mass because it's a theological term? The Nicene Creed is by nature theological. That's the whole point: sound theological terms provide doctrinal clarity. Let's stop dumbing down the Mass to appeal to tiny tots and the average American bishop. Even tiny tots LOVE to learn how to pronounce Transubstantiation.

  • Posted by: Sir William - Apr. 08, 2006 11:05 AM ET USA

    The problem with us moderns is we think we are so darn smart, but we're so poorly educated about everything from simple math to the Catechism that we are intimidated by using 'big words'. I am certain that 'consubstantial' can be easily explained (and will be over & over by parish priests everywhere). I think its well past time the Church get to the buisiness of proper education, even if it means 'big words'; elevating the mind to receive more rather than dumbing down to become less.

  • Posted by: emkay - Apr. 08, 2006 10:20 AM ET USA

    I agree wicker and glass are not suitable...but the Bishop makes a point. We're to say "consubstantial" and "incarnate" when we recite the Creed at Mass? I'm all for elevated language but "consubstantial" is a not a word used outside the theology classroom and should not be used at Mass.

  • Posted by: Clorox - Apr. 08, 2006 10:15 AM ET USA

    See what happens when you get beat up as a kid and don't fight back?

  • Posted by: - Apr. 08, 2006 10:13 AM ET USA

    Um, I think it's actually "Peace 'n' Justice," not "Peace & Justice," reminiscent of the ubiquitous establishments found throughout south Texas with names such as "Evelyn's Hair 'n' Nails." It gives the whole idea of peace and justice a more "down-home, of-the-people" feeling.

  • Posted by: Gene Church - Apr. 08, 2006 8:47 AM ET USA

    Sorry, Excellency, but the truth hurts, doesn't it?

  • Posted by: - Apr. 08, 2006 7:13 AM ET USA

    That just looks Erie...

  • Posted by: ILM - Apr. 08, 2006 5:52 AM ET USA

    Diogenes, you are a gift to the Church. Thank you for everything you do.

  • Posted by: - Apr. 08, 2006 2:27 AM ET USA

    Diogenes, you give way too much credit - this is not fancy enough for Crate & Barrel ! As an antidote to this junk, read Cardinal Arinze's latest speech and rejoice :)

  • Posted by: parochus - Apr. 08, 2006 1:13 AM ET USA

    Kumbaya, my Lord.