oh, boy: confusion!

By Diogenes (articles ) | Jan 27, 2006

An America magazine editorial observes a "notably wide variety of interpretations" of the Doomsday Document, and, having identified the general confusion, adds to it.

When the Vatican says that gay men should not be admitted to seminaries, does that mean that gay men should not be admitted to seminaries? Hmmm. Hard to say. Requires much thought and study.

There is a valid concern that the priesthood should not become exclusively or even predominantly the domain of gay men. In the same way that one would not want to see all or most priests coming from a particular ethnic group, or from a particular region of a country, one hopes that the priesthood reflects the great diversity of Catholics....

Beautiful. You wouldn't want all priests to be Irish, and you don't want all priests to be gay. But it's implict that you do expect some Irish priests. Notice that homosexual orientation is presumed to be morally and psychologically neutral, like ethnicity-- a presumption directly in conflict with Church teaching.

And that paragraph continues:

...Similarly, the concern that a man not so identify himself with the “so-called gay culture” that it obscures his fidelity to the church is a prudent one.

The DD says that a candidate for priesthood cannot identify with the gay culture at all. The Jesuit weekly figures that the seminarian should give the gay culture such a prominent place in his life that it blots out interest in Catholicism. But if he deems the two influences equally important in his life, or if he identifies with the gay culture only during his weekend off-days, that's another story.

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  • Posted by: - Feb. 02, 2006 9:53 PM ET USA

    It apparently was noticed as to ethnic diversity that while the percentage of Irish in the Church in the US was dropping, the number of Irish bishops continued to be relatively high. To compensate for this perceived injustice in ecclesial promotion, it appears that a sort of affirmative action program was undertaken in recent decades, i.e. let's give more mitres to Italians and Poles -- Kelly and Murphy may be the most qualified but we have to move up Gallo and Svoboda (not the real names).

  • Posted by: Ignacio177 - Jan. 28, 2006 2:08 AM ET USA

    As they say in spain: there are Jesuits of Saint Ignatius, Jesuits of Don (Mr.)Iñigo (his original Basque name), and Jesuits of Nacho (Iggy - nickname). Who do you think work at America?

  • Posted by: - Jan. 27, 2006 9:06 PM ET USA

    The Jesuits have no new people coming into the order in the USA. Could the reason be the fact that they are no longer TRULY a Catholic Order. With every article I read; they become more and more irrelevant AMDG!

  • Posted by: - Jan. 27, 2006 3:29 PM ET USA

    Curiositas killed the cat.

  • Posted by: - Jan. 27, 2006 12:09 PM ET USA

    Excessive wondering is a sign of unduely supporting the gay culture. America and its supporters and its Jesuit owners should have the good grace to resign from a priesthood that their presence mocks every time they open their mouths or write a paragraph.

  • Posted by: - Jan. 27, 2006 12:06 PM ET USA

    "...one would not want to see all or most priests coming from a particular ethnic group, or..." ...or from the America editorial board either, methinks. And in other news Peter told Paul that the whole circumcision business would need more thought and study. "You wouldn't want all bishops to be Gentiles now, would you?" he said, sternly. "We have to consider the economics of this. Think of all the Mohelim you'd put out of business..."

  • Posted by: - Jan. 27, 2006 11:54 AM ET USA

    Do you remember the hand wringing when Fr. Reese was replaced? Is Fr.Christianson any different from Fr.Reese? The faith at work at America is the PC Faith. According to America:The gay doc exists to "celebrate the great diversity of Catholics."Homosexuality is like ethncity.There is no credible evidence of a connection between homosexuality and the scandals.The John Jay Study stat that 81% of the scandal was homosexual is simply coincidental. So much for the alleged crackdown on America.

  • Posted by: - Jan. 27, 2006 10:23 AM ET USA

    God help these Jesuits at "America" if they ever drive on roads that have "No Passing" or "Sharp Curves Ahead" signs and then interpret them in the same sense that they have with the Vatican document on the issue of admitting active homosexuals to the seminary. Then again, it might open up a need for new replacements at "America."