perils of catechesis

By Diogenes (articles ) | Aug 08, 2005

The Irish archbishop is understandably concerned:

Teachers will tell you that young children arrive in schools and don't know how to make the Sign of the Cross.

That's bad; very bad. Thank goodness they're coming to Catholic schools, where they can be taught such things.

But wait.

What worries me is that they sometimes leave school after an intensive catechetical programme and they don't have the type of formation which would allow them to live out the faith in a changing world.


What I want to know is: after that "intensive catechetical programme," do they know how to make the Sign of the Cross?

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  • Posted by: Fr. William - Aug. 12, 2005 11:35 PM ET USA

    Good comments "sentimentalgent" & "Patriot6908." "fisherman": Liguori might publish a few Roman Catholic books. Its catechetical material for religious education strays from fundamental Church Teaching. St. Anthony Messenger Press with its "Catholic Update" is worse with its direct attempt to be protestant in ecclesiology/sacramental theology. Want rock-solid catechetical material? See the Bible, Catechism, Faith&Life series (Ignatius Press), & Didache series (Midwest Theological Forum).

  • Posted by: SentimentalGent - Aug. 08, 2005 8:40 PM ET USA

    I'm 51, and when I entered first grade in 1960 (no kindergarten before), my parents had already taught me the basic prayers and I also knew how to say a rosary, among other things. Lots of blame on schools, but maybe more on the parents for neglecting their Catholic duties. As for those "pedophile priests," relatively few were pedophiles, who go after pre-pubescent kids. Most were homosexual assaults on teens, both deserving of punishment. And they probably never read the Baltimore Catechism.

  • Posted by: fisherman129 - Aug. 08, 2005 6:43 PM ET USA

    Please explain to he the basis for saying the Liguori catechetic material is slightly heretical? What is slightly heretical? And easy does it on the Balitmore catechism... it was the catechism that most of the pedophile priests were born and bred on.

  • Posted by: - Aug. 08, 2005 3:23 PM ET USA

    ...or an even more basic question: "Can they name the three Persons in the Holy Trinity...?" Which is, um, sort of a prerequisite for making the Sign of the Cross... Back to basics, people! Dig out that Baltimore Catechism and let's get a little rote learning going here. You need a foundation if you're going to build a house - or a faith...

  • Posted by: Eleazar - Aug. 08, 2005 9:47 AM ET USA

    Every time I hear "live out the faith in a changing world," the first term that comes to mind is Modernism. I believe that many of the challenges that we're facing in the Church today can be directly attributed to the Modernism that was introduced as the result of Vatican II, when our liturgy and doctrine became disconnected from the Communion of Saints and almost 2000 years of Tradition and we were cast adrift in the "Abusso"

  • Posted by: - Aug. 08, 2005 9:27 AM ET USA

    If you are a modern archbishop who is more committed to dialoguing than preaching, appointing new committees and new posts to work with problems stemming from lack of preaching, tinkering instead of building, and experimenting ad infinitum with every tried and failed program, then after an internsive catechetical program utilizing perhaps the slightly heretical materials from places like Ligouri, the children in your flock still may have trouble with properly crossing themselves.