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By Diogenes (articles ) | Jun 06, 2007

You know the culture wars are getting serious when the opposition brings out the heavy artillery. From the Sydney Morning News:

Supermodel Gisele Bundchen has stepped into the debate over birth control and sexual behaviour in Brazil, saying church opposition to condom use was ridiculous and women should have the right to choose on abortion.

Got that? She has "stepped into the debate." Tightly-wrought syllogisms ahead.

The Brazilian beauty, one of the world's top models, told Folha de S.Paulo newspaper in an interview that, when the church made its laws centuries ago, women were expected to be virgins.

"Today no one is a virgin when they get married ... show me someone who's a virgin!" she said.

Quod erat demonstrandum, I guess.

Bundchen, who had just arrived from New York to take part in Rio de Janeiro's Fashion Week, also defended condom use.

"It's ridiculous to ban contraceptives -- you only have to think of the diseases that are transmitted without them. I think it should be compulsory to use a contraceptive."

Compulsory, perhaps, only for the present generation. A truly original thinker.

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  • Posted by: - Jun. 08, 2007 8:57 AM ET USA

    You sacrifice to the gods is no longer possible because they've run out of virgins?

  • Posted by: - Jun. 07, 2007 4:38 PM ET USA

    "Only the Roman/Latin Rite forbids marriage to clergy." Sort of, but not quite. Eastern Rite bishops (and those in the Orthodox Churches) must be celibate, and in all of the situations referenced only those priests already married are exempt from the rule of celibacy. Once ordained, a priest may not marry, and a widowed priest may not remarry (the same is true of permanent deacons in the Latin Rite).

  • Posted by: - Jun. 07, 2007 10:52 AM ET USA

    Gaby's comment makes semse as wrtitten and does not betray any confusion in the meaning of the two words. It is quite true that "so many celibates seriously undermines the prevailing wisdom that chastity is impossible"! Of course for a priest, chastity *is* celibacy and vice-versa...

  • Posted by: - Jun. 07, 2007 7:48 AM ET USA

    Gaby: Technically, celibacy and chastity are not interchangeable terms. Ordinary priests take vows of celibacy; those in orders, men and women, take vows of chastity. Chastity = No sexual relations outside a sacramental marriage; this includes masturbation. Celibacy = Remaining in a single state. Only the Roman/Latin Rite forbids marriage to clergy. Eastern Rite priests, and ministers converted from the Lutheran, Episcopal, and Methodist faiths may remain married as priests.

  • Posted by: - Jun. 07, 2007 7:20 AM ET USA

    Literally, beauty is only skin deep.

  • Posted by: - Jun. 07, 2007 1:12 AM ET USA

    This is explains why so many are trying so hard to abolish the celibate priesthood- so many celibates seriously undermines the prevailing wisdom that chastity is impossible, doesn't it? Funny she takes VDs as widespread and a given. Says a lot about the company she keeps... Funny she thinks condoms are reliable -I happen to KNOW they are NOT! But all I "caught" was a beautiful and precious baby -and I learned not to trust what the "world" says! How many abortions followed failed condoms, hum?

  • Posted by: - Jun. 06, 2007 8:19 PM ET USA

    "Banning contraception isn't just wrong, its unfashionable." Gisele Bunchen, appearing in the movie version of The Loved One.

  • Posted by: - Jun. 06, 2007 6:02 PM ET USA

    A condom is the only form of contraception which also prevents diseases quite effectively, albeit that is not their main purpose except among the naive & ignorant. The other forms have no disease preventatives attributes, although the "pill" is often prescribed, allegedly, to cope with early teenage acne. Res ipsa loquitur.

  • Posted by: - Jun. 06, 2007 5:18 PM ET USA

    If it is sex outside of marriage, does it really matter if the compulsory is used? What's one more sin?

  • Posted by: - Jun. 06, 2007 3:11 PM ET USA

    What's really distressing is that a blogger for the Washington Post blogged about this story and actually called Gisele a smart and thinking Catholic! And those who left comments agreed with him! But yes, let the hedonists use the condoms -- and good riddance.

  • Posted by: - Jun. 06, 2007 2:59 PM ET USA

    How can such beauty, on the outside, given by God, turn soo ugly on the inside?

  • Posted by: - Jun. 06, 2007 2:53 PM ET USA

    Is she defending her position as a non-virgin or is she simply defending her inability to resist carnal activity without the threat of the normal natural consequences? How would she feel if her parents felt the same way some years ago? Who said getting to Heaven is easy?

  • Posted by: - Jun. 06, 2007 1:47 PM ET USA

    Compulsary contraceptives? Maybe for her ilk that's a pretty darn good idea. The whole miserably hedonistic bunch will quickly go extinct.

  • Posted by: - Jun. 06, 2007 1:24 PM ET USA

    You have to admit, she is as qualified to comment on morality as the Pope is on selling underwear.

  • Posted by: - Jun. 06, 2007 12:47 PM ET USA

    I'm speechless. I wish she were, too.

  • Posted by: - Jun. 06, 2007 12:24 PM ET USA

    ...from mouths of babes...

  • Posted by: - Jun. 06, 2007 11:18 AM ET USA

    ...and so, there you have it!