deal with the devil

By Diogenes (articles ) | Jan 02, 2007

Back in 2004, Denver’s Archbishop Charles Chaput wrote a pointed critique of the arguments that former New York Governor Mario Cuomo had advanced to justify a “pro-choice” stance. Cuomo, the archbishop argued, was in effect saying:

In brief, it’s OK to be Catholic in public service as long as you’re willing to jettison what’s inconveniently “Catholic.”?
That’s not a compromise. That’s a deal with the devil, and it has a balloon payment no nation, no public servant and no voter can afford.

Right on.

But for the benefit of those who might not remember Cuomo’s argument, let me provide a recap. Cuomo said:

I strongly oppose any effort that would seek to criminalize women or their doctors over this issue. I would strongly oppose legislation similar to the one recently passed by the South Dakota legislature. As governor, I would enforce existing laws, including Roe v. Wade. It's not part of my agenda to change these laws: Improving education, health care and our economy - which will be the top priorities for my administration - will do more to improve the lives of children and reduce the number of abortions in our country than a divisive focus on punishing the women who find themselves turning to it as a solution.

Oh, wait. That’s not a quote from Cuomo. It’s from Bill Ritter, the newly elected Governor of Colorado. But the argument is basically the same “deal with the devil” proposed by Mario Cuomo.

In another 2004 newspaper column, Archbishop Chaput took on the argument about “pro-choice” Catholic politicians who wish to receive the Eucharist:

Claiming to be Catholic and then rejecting Catholic teaching is an act of dishonesty and a lack of personal integrity. Worse, if we then receive Communion, we violate every Catholic who does believe and does strive to live the faith fully and unselfishly.

Obviously the archbishop doesn’t want every Catholic in Denver to be violated. So while he stopped short of saying that a “pro-choice” Catholic politician should be denied Communion, he certainly wouldn’t want to do anything to encourage that pol. Such as-- oh, say, scheduling a special Mass to celebrate his inauguration as governor. At Holy Ghost parish. On January 9.

Clarification by Diogenes

The purpose of my original post was to call attention to the January 9 plans. I did not intend to imply that Archbishop Chaput was involved in the planning; in fact I wanted to call those plans directly to his attention. If I unintentionally led readers to believe that the archbishop himself would be celebrating the Mass, then I owe him an apology. If the plans have been derailed, kudos.

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  • Posted by: - Jan. 08, 2007 1:51 AM ET USA

    No rocket science here...........AB Chaput should quickly speak to Ritter privately and if he (Ritter) doesn't immediately and publicly change his pro-abort position the AB should just as quickly and publicly denounce the new gov with all that that entails including denial of communion. The same scandalous problem is rampant in dioceses across the nation.

  • Posted by: - Jan. 04, 2007 5:44 PM ET USA

    "People are so quick to judge the integrity of an archbishop, but no one has yet judged the integrity of the blogger." --romerjp Granted, Archbishop Chaput is a shining light in darkness, but most of his peers, judging by their public actions and ommissions, have lost the benefit of the doubt when it comes to integrity. Diogenese has won the benefit of that doubt. Please, do not blame us for being quick to question the integrity of a bishop. Some would call it prudent in this day and age

  • Posted by: - Jan. 04, 2007 3:13 PM ET USA

    I would like an answer from the "Director of Communications, Archdiocese of Denver" about whether there was ANY kind of planning in Archbishop Chaput's archdiocese for such a Mass for Ritter at Holy Ghost. THAT was Diogenese's irony. It appears that he did bring the situation to the attention of the archdiocese with this post. Surely the delivery stung. Nevertheles, Ms. De Melo owes him a hearty thanks, not a reprimand.

  • Posted by: - Jan. 04, 2007 2:55 PM ET USA

    I just want to add that Archbishop Chaput, like Burskewitz (spelling?) is one of the few in this country who DOES stand up for what's right, and he deserves a great deal of respect. If you see something that indicates the contrary, you should probably read more carefully or at least be hesitant to believe it.

  • Posted by: - Jan. 04, 2007 2:50 PM ET USA

    I agree that the first time I read this, I did think that Uncle Di was slamming His Excellency Archbishop Chaput. I had a hard time believing it since he didn't list any sources, and I couldn't find anything about such a Mass online. But when I read the clarification, and reread the post, I can see clearly that a lot of people, including myself, took the post out of context. If somebody, somewhere, actually was planning the Mass, and this post stopped it, then Uncle Di did some good.

  • Posted by: - Jan. 04, 2007 8:30 AM ET USA

    "This argument has an expiration date, doesn't it?" Like all arguments, it expires on judgement day.

  • Posted by: - Jan. 04, 2007 8:09 AM ET USA

    This argument has an expiration date, doesn't it? On January 9 we'll know if Diogenes was justified. I'm going to wait and see.

  • Posted by: - Jan. 03, 2007 8:03 PM ET USA

    There are 155 Roman Catholics in this Congress. How many are Pro Life? How many are pro abortion and still receive Holy Communion? Some day our bishops will finally stand up and defend the true faith; I do not expect it to be any time soon.

  • Posted by: - Jan. 03, 2007 5:02 PM ET USA

    This is great!!! We now know for CERTAIN that at least a few bishops and their staff are reading this blog.

  • Posted by: shrink - Jan. 03, 2007 4:59 PM ET USA

    My dear romejrd, you doth protest too much. A few of us didn't think that Bishop Chaput was part of the affair, but in your indignation, you fail altogether to affirm or to deny that there was any planning whatsoever for a Mass for Ritter at Holy Ghost. Please inform us if the pastor of the Church was knowledgeable of a scheduled Mass for Ritter.

  • Posted by: Alex - Jan. 03, 2007 3:51 PM ET USA

    Diogenes you don't owe the Archbishop and us, your readers, a lame "clarification," you owe us the kind of full, unequivocal retraction you so much like to demmand from others. Now, do you have what it takes to do it?

  • Posted by: - Jan. 03, 2007 3:35 PM ET USA

    Calm down everyone. Life has returned to normal -- Archbishop Chaput is STILL the real thing and Cardinal Mahony is, well, ya know.

  • Posted by: Fatimabeliever - Jan. 03, 2007 3:31 PM ET USA

    Wouldn't it be something if all the Christian especially Catholic politians started acting like they're following the teachings of Christ.

  • Posted by: - Jan. 03, 2007 3:07 PM ET USA

    Politicians who claim to be Catholic should be held to Catholic doctrine in public statements and actions. Failure to do so allows a double standard. That is dishonest. Being Catholic has always required making hard choices. Today is no different. The bishops, as the saying goes, should put up or shut up. Someone once put it, You are either with Me or against Me.

  • Posted by: - Jan. 03, 2007 1:11 PM ET USA

    This blog did in fact lead many readers to believe Archbishop Chaput is celebrating a Mass for Ritter, which he is not. Diogenes does owe Archbishop Chaput an apology for his innuendo. A simple call to the Communications Office inquiring about the Mass would have been appropriate before spreading detraction of a bishop. People are so quick to judge the integrity of an archbishop, but no one has yet judged the integrity of the blogger.

  • Posted by: - Jan. 03, 2007 12:06 PM ET USA

    I'd also like to add that the Archbishop is STILL the real thing in my book!

  • Posted by: - Jan. 03, 2007 12:02 PM ET USA

    OK, so now what's going to happen to the Pelosi Divine Liturgy? Forgive me...I just had reverse peristalsis all over my keyboard...

  • Posted by: - Jan. 03, 2007 12:00 PM ET USA

    Thank you for the clarification, Diogenes. I had no real fear that Arch. Chaput might have sanctioned such an event; and, despite the original ambiguity, I also was very much inclined to believe that you did not either. We will look forward to learning more from CWNews before the 9th.

  • Posted by: - Jan. 03, 2007 9:23 AM ET USA

    For the record, Archbishop Charles Chaput, O.F.M. Cap. is not celebrating an inaugural Mass for governor-elect Bill Ritter, nor would he "encourage" such a Mass. This information is fallacious and factious. Archbishop Chaput is investigating the source of this information regarding an inaugural Mass at Holy Ghost. The blogger should have investigated a little further before wrongly criticizing the archbishop. --Jeanette De Melo, Director of Communications, Archdiocese of Denver.

  • Posted by: - Jan. 03, 2007 12:35 AM ET USA

    I have in hand this evening 1/2/07 9:40PM PST an email denial by Archbishop Chaput that ther is any such Mass going to happen. Looks like you goofed on this one.

  • Posted by: - Jan. 02, 2007 11:43 PM ET USA

    "Oh, wait. That’s not a quote from Cuomo. It’s from Bill Ritter, the newly elected Governor of Colorado. But the argument is basically the same “deal with the devil” proposed by Mario Cuomo." You give the web site address and I read the entire interview (I thought) but did not find the quote you quoted. Where is it? Did he really say what you quoted? If I can prove it, I would be happy to write the Apb about it.

  • Posted by: - Jan. 02, 2007 11:19 PM ET USA

    and here is the rest of Ritters statement on his web site It is these same beliefs and concerns that have made me an advocate of family planning and a strong supporter of government funding for agencies involved in family planning education, teen pregnancy prevention programs as well as responsible and age appropriate sex education in schools. Pro abort - Pro Artificial Contraception - Pro gay aprtnership legislation and he is a Catholic.

  • Posted by: - Jan. 02, 2007 11:00 PM ET USA

    Okay folks, before getting all upset about this I would suggest that you take the time to check on the veracity of the claim. I emailed the archbishop and within ten minutes had a reply from him that he knows nothing about such a Mass and that I should call Holy Ghost to see if the pastor has made some arrangement. I also have checked the Holy Ghost website, the Denver Catholic Register site, the Archdiocese of Denver site and the Bill Ritter website and there is no mention of such an event.

  • Posted by: - Jan. 02, 2007 10:59 PM ET USA

    We are having entirely too many inaugural Masses. I think Ritter's should be combined with Pelosi's (and a few others). Based on their pro-choice positions they are probably headed to the same place anyhow. PS dress light, it is rumored to be very warm there!

  • Posted by: - Jan. 02, 2007 10:30 PM ET USA

    But Diogenes...don't you believe in the power of the Mass?

  • Posted by: robin - Jan. 02, 2007 6:37 PM ET USA

    I well remember the Cuomo debate. How Mario tried to debate Bishop Autsin Vaugh who the newspapers claimed told Cuomo " He would go to hell". He will go to hell as will any one else who aides, encourages, allows, or is ivolved in any way the aborting of a human being. God said "Thou shalt NOT kill". He was not fooling. However, all these so call "ProChoice" Catholics , whether they be policitians or not need to be excommunicated.

  • Posted by: unum - Jan. 02, 2007 6:25 PM ET USA

    What Wikipedia says isn't worth anything. Politicians have been "editing" it for years. I am disappointed in Chaput. He sounded like the real thing.

  • Posted by: - Jan. 02, 2007 5:00 PM ET USA

    For what it's worth, Wikipedia says the governor-elect is pro-life, not "pro-choice."

  • Posted by: opraem - Jan. 02, 2007 4:37 PM ET USA

    abp chaput, like all our shepherds, issues eloquent statements about moral issues of the day. but he fails, again like most bishops, to do more than talk. he needs our prayers and a dose of common sense.

  • Posted by: - Jan. 02, 2007 8:59 AM ET USA

    I believe that devotion to our faith allows us to see through the Cuomo charade, and of those who have since espoused similar views. Unfortunately the devil has provided many of them (Cuomo first and foremost) with a verbal eloquence that might cause "even the elect" to compromise their faith. In fact, we have been warned by Jesus Himself, to be on the lookout for these "wolves in sheeps clothing," therefore when our own judgement comes, we cannot properly say, "but Cuomo said it was ok."