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By Diogenes (articles ) | Nov 05, 2006

An interesting take by Chris Johnson on the role of the new Presiding Bishopess and the press:

Why does the news media pay such an inordinate amount of attention to the Episcopal Church?

Is it because of that influence that TEC, never all that big a church, was always said to have had over American politics? Doubtful; TEC has been bleeding members for 30 years and hasn't seriously influenced much of anything for a long time.

Is it because the Episcopal Church has no serious beliefs of any kind anymore and is thus the perfect "religion" for people who want to call themselves "spiritual" without having to obey a bunch of rules or stop doing something they enjoy? TEC is hardly unique in this regard.

Is it because Schori's a woman? Other mainline denominations have elected female leaders with barely a notice from the press. Is it because of the international status Anglicanism enjoys? I think that's part of it but not the whole story. I think TEC gets the run that it does for a very simple reason.

The Episcopal Church is what the secular media wants the Roman Catholic Church to become.

To an outsider, both churches look alike. The vestments of both churches have the same names(alb, chasuble, stole, etc). The bishops of both churches wear miters and carry croziers and the liturgies of both are not all that different. But there is where the similarities end.

Because the Roman Catholic Church is a large, international church with influence all over the globe whereas the Episcopalians don't influence much of anybody. But the Catholics have all these stupid rules. An unborn baby is a human being. Abortion is murder. Sex outside of marriage is not such a hot idea. Women shouldn't be priests.

To the media, then, Kate Schori is a godifyoubelieveinthatridiculousconceptsend. A liberal woman with a pointy hat and a hooked stick who doesn't care who or what they sleep with and who has, for the time being, an international stage with another international Christian church. As I see it, the media seems to be tacitly saying to Rome, "Do you see what kind of approval we'd give you if you'd just lighten up?"

Well, we know what the stick feels like. Can the Jefferts-Schori treatment be the carrot?

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  • Posted by: Italiana - Nov. 09, 2006 9:27 PM ET USA

    Any church, any religion is what the secular media wants the Catholic Church to be. That's because the Catholic Chirch is the Mystical Body of Christ and we know that the world hated God so much that they killed Him. Nothing has changed. They still hate God and want Him to be any other way than how He really is. They just can't love Him. They still want to kill Him, change Him, destroy Him - ANYTHING but love Him because He's God.

  • Posted by: - Nov. 09, 2006 9:50 AM ET USA

    You say that the Church teaches that "women shouldn't be priests". In fact, the Church teaches that women CAN'T be priests.

  • Posted by: - Nov. 07, 2006 1:54 PM ET USA

    In the End there will only be the Roman Catholic Church. The reason that the vestments of both churches have the same names is, because the Episcopalians wanted to give the outward impression that they were the same as the Roman Catholic Church. Of course, they do not have the "Fullness of the Faith", they never did and never will and definitely not since Schori "dressed to pretend to be a Bishop. There is only One True Christian Church that Jesus Christ instituted; Roman Catholic Church.

  • Posted by: - Nov. 07, 2006 9:19 AM ET USA

    There are plenty former Episcopalians who are now Catholic -- like me -- and that number will continue to increase.

  • Posted by: - Nov. 06, 2006 8:20 PM ET USA

    Lemme see now... This is the bunch that got going because Henry VIII wanted to divorce his wife. Not too long ago, at their 1930 Lambeth Conference, they unleashed contraceptives in Christian establishments. Then they hauled off and elected a sodomite as a bishop. Hey - this woman is simply par for the course!

  • Posted by: Vincit omnia amor - Nov. 06, 2006 1:21 AM ET USA

    maybe something to his insight! We believe in the faithfulness of Our Lord who said the gates of hell will not prevail against His Church. in my opinion, any "church" which allows for the shredding of babies in the womb & "blesses" what is an abomination (homosexual "unions") has already had the gates of hell prevail against it!!! Thus, such a "church" is NOT the Church He established. let's hope many of those in the Anglican communion recognize this and enter the Catholic Church.

  • Posted by: - Nov. 05, 2006 5:34 PM ET USA

    Aye, spot on D! I rarely play the prophet but keep your eye on the Church of Ireland too, for similar reasons. My suspicion is that the message here is, 'If only you would be rid of your anti-protestant bigotry you WOULD all join the CofI since it already represents your beliefs.' I can't help thinking that certain parts of the Anglican communion haven't sung their last song yet. All they need is some fresh blood... and we're haemorrhaging...

  • Posted by: khall356157 - Nov. 05, 2006 4:15 PM ET USA

    For years I have been saying "Why don't these people become Episcopalian and leave the rest of us alone?" If they really want what they claim to want, that church already exists. But what they REALLY want is Official Church Approval of their defiance, so they won't have to feel guilty about leaving.