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plus ça change

By Diogenes (bio - articles ) | Nov 07, 2005

Reading the CWN story on how the French bishops have responded to rioting in Muslim neighborhoods, I couldn't help reflecting on how little things have changed in Christendom over the past several centuries.

As Pope St. Pius V said after the Battle of Lepanto, the Ottoman Turks were simply helpless victims of urbanization, unemployment, and unstable family life. Later King Jan Sobieski urged the people of Poland to understand the insecurity that caused Turkish forces to encircle Vienna, rather than accentuating ethnic divisions and giving in to a climate of fear.

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  • Posted by: Pseudodionysius - Nov. 08, 2005 2:23 PM ET USA

    Look at the bright side Di -- they didn't Praise Allah yet.

  • Posted by: Gino - Nov. 07, 2005 8:15 PM ET USA

    Diogenes; that is a fabulous post. Thank you and God bless you.

  • Posted by: - Nov. 07, 2005 5:47 PM ET USA

    Perhaps it is the Muslim threat that is driving the Vatican to ecumenistic extreme. Perhaps the Holy Father and the European prelates believe that the separated will join Rome in defending Christian Europe against the infidel threat. Then again, perhaps they're just stupid. If the Crusades were a good idea then, perhaps they're a good idea now.

  • Posted by: - Nov. 07, 2005 5:06 PM ET USA

    I'm not pessimistic about the Catholic church; I'm pessimistic about the Catholic church in the western world. The Catholic Church will thrive, but where? Probably in the southern hemisphere. My children happen to live in the northern hem. So what does the future look like for them and their children? Not good. In Europe, Catholics and Protestants will be outbred by Muslims who are already a sizable minority in France and Germany. I don't want my children and gr. ch. living under Moslem rule.

  • Posted by: Catholicity - Nov. 07, 2005 3:18 PM ET USA

    Don't be such a pessimist, Ody! We're Catholic, remember? Some are called to martyrdom, some are called to fight, some are called to pray. And the lukewarm will find themselves where the lukewarm always have.

  • Posted by: - Nov. 07, 2005 2:55 PM ET USA

    The west's spiritual weakness will be met with the Muslim world's strength, and don't be fooled that they are not strong. Everywhere there are Muslims, they are willing to fight for their faith. Albeit, they may be misguided in their violence. But is the west willing to fight for its faith? That seems ludicrous when we look at the forces within the Church that want it destroyed. So many Catholics will not fight the enemy within the church. What hope do we have against those without?

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