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By Diogenes (articles ) | Apr 30, 2004

Today's is the Feast of the Patron of Nuanced and Mutually Enriching Church-State Relations.

We do out of the fullness of our apostolic power declare the foresaid Elizabeth to be a heretic and favourer of heretics, and her adherents in the matters aforesaid to have incurred the sentence of excommunication and to be cut off from the unity of the body of Christ.

-- Pope (St.) Pius V, Bull of 27 April 1570

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  • Posted by: - May. 04, 2004 1:37 AM ET USA

    Verax: Your sources are simply incorrect to claim that "Pius V in his Bull, REGNANS IN EXCELSIS, ordered the MURDER of Queen Elizabeth." Philip Hughes includes the English translation of the text on page 418 of the 3rd volume of "The Reformation in England." St. Pius V rightly condemned Elizabeth as a heretic and "deprive[d] the said Elizabeth of her pretended right to the throne." Nowhere does he mention the murder of her person. A good idea for the time? Only God knows for sure.

  • Posted by: - May. 03, 2004 10:04 PM ET USA

    Hmm. Interesting point of ecumenical convergence. John Knox, referring to Elizabeth I, sputtered from his Scottish pulpit about 'the monstrous regiment of women.' I'm picturing John Knox and Pius V toasting each other with single malt over plates of steaming haggis.

  • Posted by: - May. 01, 2004 12:39 PM ET USA

    And Our Lord 'condemned' hundreds of thousands of Christians to death by saying "take up your cross and follow Me..." I guess JC wasn't much into 'moderation' either, huh?

  • Posted by: - Apr. 30, 2004 9:38 PM ET USA

    From the safety of his well-guarded Vatican, Pius V (with little courage) by his ill-conceived outbursts of triumphalism condemned thousands of English & Welsh Catholics to turture and horrible deaths. Countless women and children, as well as men, were slaughtered by mercenaries from the Continent, because Pius V in his Bull, REGNANS IN EXCELSIS, ordered the MURDER of Queen Elizabeth ! That is where the pendulum was. Where has the pendulum swung today? Will Rome ever learn moderation ?

  • Posted by: Fr. William - Apr. 30, 2004 4:57 PM ET USA

    Thank you, Diogenes! Could we e-mail this to Cardinals McCarrick, Egan, Mahony, Archbishop O'Malley, & others? Or maybe courageous successors to the Apostles, such as Archbishops Burke & Chaput, & Bishops Morlino & Bruskewitz, could send it to them with a note of charitable fraternal correction/direction...

  • Posted by: - Apr. 30, 2004 3:02 PM ET USA

    Moral courage will come with grace received after an adherence to truth. St. Pius V had a different faith than Pope John Paul II. Else the current pontiff would not have been so sanguine about kissing the Koran and giving episcopal honors to the "archbishop" of Canterbury, etc., etc. I think Sr. Lucia called it "diabolic disorientation." I think Pope Paul VI called it the "smoke of Satan which has entered the Church." Love your enemies, don't be "nice" to them.

  • Posted by: - Apr. 30, 2004 11:43 AM ET USA

    If we only had the same moral courage today!

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