the shapeless garment
By Diogenes (articles ) | October 31, 2006 6:23 AM
The National Coalition of American Nuns pledges itself to vote for pro-abortion candidates ("legislators who will recognize the right of women to make reproductive decisions"), and gives a thumbs-up to the USCCB voter's guide Faithful Citizenship. The Catholic Alliance voter's guide says we may vote for pro-aborts if they're family-friendly, and gives a thumbs-up to the USCCB voter's guide Faithful Citizenship. On the other hand, Phoenix Bishop Thomas Olmsted's voter's guide singles out "protection of life in all its stages" as one of the non-negotiable issues for Catholics involved in politics, and makes no mention whatever of Faithful Citizenship.
Now why do you suppose that is?
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Posted by: Ross Dee -
Nov. 03, 2006 12:07 PM ET USA
If God's Justice was taught properly, the Bishops and Nuns would have a much easier time with , what they call Social Justice. First you must define Social Justice. "The Culture of Death" is not Social Justice. First and foremost is the Abortion situation in America. Abortion is the "only irreversiable action in our society. Any society that condones Abortion, is the The Culture Death. Any Political Party that has abortion on their Platform has no credibility and No Social Justice.
Posted by: sulpicius -
Oct. 31, 2006 8:51 PM ET USA
The slogan at the top of NCAN's webpage is telling: "Since 1969, NCAN has been working, studying and speaking out on justice issues in Church and Society." Funny, I thought a nun's primary task was to pray. And "since 1969"? Seems they're stuck in 1969.
Posted by: Gino -
Oct. 31, 2006 8:02 PM ET USA
Did anyone notice how vociferously the pro aborts in our Church make their point? Meanwhile back at the USCCB silence reigns. They are probably very busy outlining a new PR push to show us how hard they are working. If these bishops had been the Apostles we would not have a Church!
Posted by: Gregory108 -
Oct. 31, 2006 7:03 PM ET USA
Is this a real organiztion? If they have no address and no information on joining, they may not be a real organization. It may just be an apostate nun or two who have "formed" this group-they have a name and a word-processor to put out press releases, but no members. The group "Catholics for Choice" was such an organization. It was a dummy (literally and figuratively) group that had no members, sponsored entirely by NARAL, with one "Catholic" woman as "president." No need to condemn all nuns!
Posted by: ladybird -
Oct. 31, 2006 4:22 PM ET USA
Heathcliff, they're not Buddhist, either! Buddhist nuns still shave their heads and wear humble robes in an effort to renounce self and vanity! Of course Buddhists are firm on NOT KILLING ANY LIVING CREATURE! You may, of course, choose to support someone else's right to err/sin but if you don't at least warn them then you are colluding in the error/sin and you incur the penalty accruing thereto (I think they call it Karma) Every action has a price to be paid - now or later - it will be paid.
Posted by: NonSumDignus -
Oct. 31, 2006 4:07 PM ET USA
However, I think we must commend this group for their courage stand (in solidarity with the Daughters of Charity of Emmitsburg, MD) against the "bottled water culture" which is damaging our ecosystem. Sigh. Too many trips in the labyrinth, I think, have given the dear sisters a bad case of moral vertigo.
Posted by: -
Oct. 31, 2006 12:53 PM ET USA
Links on the NCAN/WICCAN site include....Women's Ordination Conference, Call to Action, Future Church, Woman-Church Convergence, Quixote Center (really wacko) and just to let you know they are Catholics.....http://www.vatican.va/ And one more thing.... there is no headquarters address on their site or any membership information. It doesnt even tell me how to join! Maybe its time they ended their exclusionist sexist limitation of nuns having to be women.
Posted by: -
Oct. 31, 2006 12:42 PM ET USA
Eleazar.... good point.... why wont anyone say the "s" word? Why can't we call it what it is? SCHISM SCHISM SCHISM SCHISM There I said it! We should have a whole discussion topic here about this.
Posted by: Eleazar -
Oct. 31, 2006 11:45 AM ET USA
Anyone notice how close NCAN is to WICCAN? And the irony of the appearance of this post on All Hallow's Eve is just too rich. Seriously, its unfortunate that we don't know anything about the membership of this group, either individually or by order. This and other posts from the last 10 days or so have convinced me that its time we acknowledge the schism that exists in Roman Catholicism and begin to deal with it...Let the Inquisition begin!
Posted by: Ross Dee -
Oct. 31, 2006 11:21 AM ET USA
I hope and pray these same nuns do not teach our children. I really do not know where these nuns get the "Power" to "insist" that legislators and voters alike voting with their conscience and deeply held values without incurring Sacramental penalties. The Pope has the "Power" to "insist" that you not vote for anyone who directly or indirectly has or promotes abortion in any shape or form. That is Social-Justice! No one on earth can justify abortion, promoting abortion, or voting for abortion.
Posted by: Leo XIII727 -
Oct. 31, 2006 10:16 AM ET USA
Heretics in open rebellion! Tomas de Torquemada, where are you when we need you???
Posted by: Laity1 -
Oct. 31, 2006 10:11 AM ET USA
Ignacio: interesting link. Some of the comments there express well some frustrations I feel, especially when within my own parish.
Posted by: Pseudodionysius -
Oct. 31, 2006 10:09 AM ET USA
Thank goodness for the NCAN! Now all those White Supremacists and Mysoginists can cast their votes and legislate the way they see fit, in accordance with their consciences and incur no sacramental penalties. Thanks, Sistah!
Posted by: Convert1994 -
Oct. 31, 2006 9:33 AM ET USA
Here's the quote that got my blood boiling: "WE INSIST THAT LEGISLATORS AND VOTERS ALIKE CAST THEIR VOTES IN ACCORDANCE WITH THEIR CONSCIENCES AND DEEPLY-HELD VALUES WITHOUT INCURRING SACRAMENTAL PENALTIES BASED ON THEIR VOTING RECORDS." You can insist, National Coalition of American Nuns, but Jesus' standards remain constant. Repent and believe in the Gospel, sisters!
Posted by: Sterling -
Oct. 31, 2006 8:27 AM ET USA
What religious orders does the "National Coalition of Nuns" comprise? Is this group significant enough for us to care about them, or is this just another sub-set of the "Catholic Comedy Central" troupe we find so prevalent in the Church today?
Posted by: Ignacio177 -
Oct. 31, 2006 7:49 AM ET USA
Go to the GodMen link to see why some just don't have what it takes to stand up and be counted.
Posted by: Heathcliff -
Oct. 31, 2006 7:33 AM ET USA
The nuns say, "Jesus encouraged us to love our enemies and not to repay violence with violence." A great principle, but they seem to have overlooked the violence done to the unborn when they defend a woman's right to "reproductive rights," a euphemism for abortion on demand. It's comforting to note that the word "Catholic" does not appear in the National Coalition of American Nuns title. American they may be, but Catholic they are not.