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By Diogenes (articles ) | Sep 10, 2007

Tough to know what religious beliefs, if any, Michael Kinsley lays claim to. His article in the current Time (thanks to Douglas LeBlanc for the heads up) is a complaint against the level of God-talk in campaign discourse. He's pro-abortion, a Democrat, and a non-doctrinaire liberal. While he often opts for the wrong one, Kinsley can see the alternatives clearly:

The Roman Catholic Church holds that abortion is the deliberate killing of a human being. Catholic liberal politicians since Mario Cuomo have said they personally accept the doctrine of their church but nevertheless believe in a woman's right to choose. This is silly. There is no right to choose murder. Either these politicians are lying to their church, or they are lying to us.

Would it help, my lord bishops, if he said it slower?

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  • Posted by: - Sep. 12, 2007 11:07 PM ET USA

    I wish I believed that they were "either lying to their church or lying to us". The truth appears to be that they are lying to themselves with the full cooperation and consent of a significant number of the Bishops. When Kerry can say in the debate that he knows the teaching of his church "but he respectfully disagrees" and shows up at communion the next day then you really can't say their lying. If I publically murder someone and never get arrested are you sure I'm the one with the problem?

  • Posted by: - Sep. 11, 2007 11:53 AM ET USA

    Never thought I would agree with Kinsley about anything. Let's praise him for finally recognizing the validity of a syllogism.

  • Posted by: - Sep. 10, 2007 11:57 PM ET USA

    You apparantly do not know that Michael Kinsley has been a long-time critic of the Roe v. Wade decision, calling it "the high water mark of liberal judicial activism."

  • Posted by: Art Kelly - Sep. 10, 2007 11:57 PM ET USA

    You apparantly do not know that Michael Kinsley has been a long-time critic of the Roe v. Wade decision, calling it "the high water mark of liberal judicial activism."

  • Posted by: - Sep. 10, 2007 9:51 PM ET USA

    Cardinal Cooke, Servant of God, on his watch, failed to excommunicate Cuomo or any the Catholics who became advocates of abortion rights. The bishops were blinded for a while by the rapid abandonment of centuries of Catholic teaching. Some bishops just came to an accommodation with the pro-aborts and wish the pesky noisy pro-life movement would fade away, and and other bishops who wanted to act just found themselves tied to the precedents of the 1970's and can't untie them.

  • Posted by: - Sep. 10, 2007 8:26 PM ET USA

    "This is silly. There is no right to choose murder. Either these politicians are lying to their church, or they are lying to us." That's a meaty quote. Leave the fur and bones to the birds and take something that has simple substance. Overanalysis is worse than none.

  • Posted by: - Sep. 10, 2007 6:05 PM ET USA

    Let me add some points which help to explain the problem: The former archbishop of a large archdiocese in the Eastern U.S. had four priest secretaries in succession. ALL of them subsequently left the priesthood! Why? The man had such a neurotic, incomplete, stunted personality that he could not accomplish anything. His advancement in the hierarchy was all political. Each priest lost his faith. Do you really expect people of this caliber to stand up to a politician?

  • Posted by: - Sep. 10, 2007 1:46 PM ET USA

    First, Cuomo is a politician and not an expert on religious doctrine of the Catholic Church. Second,he is not the most reliable source for political information, either. Cuomo is confusing a "right" with a "capability." A woman has capability to choose evil over good. That ability to make a choice which is incorrect is part of our human frailty and imperfection. That being said, that ability to err does not justify the error either objectively or subjectively. Back to catechism class Mario.

  • Posted by: - Sep. 10, 2007 1:35 PM ET USA

    Diogenes, thank you for finding a way to show SOMEONE undertands the "I'm personally opposed, but" position is ludicrous. Kinsley certainly believes that the Church is wrong, and I suspect that his current religion is his politics, given that he is able to find philosophical consistency there. Sad that politicians like Cuomo also have made their politics their religion.

  • Posted by: - Sep. 10, 2007 1:16 PM ET USA

    Indeed, Diogenes, it would help to say it slower, say it often &, maybe with a little bit of force. As you noted in an earlier post, thanks be to God for Bishop Raymond Leo Burke of Saint Louis & the few bishops today who actually cooperate with the grace God gives them by virtue of their ordination to speak so boldly & courageously on this subject of Catholic politicians. Bishops are Successors to the Apostles -- God calls them to give their very lives to spread the Faith & defend the Truth.

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