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Europe's suicide

By Diogenes (articles ) | Feb 24, 2006

By subverting the roots of its own Judeo-Christian culture... a religious and cultural vacuum was created at the heart of European civilization. The collapse of faith in its own values has, not surprisingly, led to a demographic collapse because a civilization that no longer believes in its own future also rejects procreation.

There's more, and it's all dead on target, at the BrusselsJournal web site.

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  • Posted by: Cantor Rich - Feb. 28, 2006 1:58 AM ET USA

    I am sorry to disagree with you, Odysseus, however; no, we do not all share the fault for these circumstances in which we find ourselves. So long as we pray sincerely to our God for His Church on earth, the fault for all of the Church's temporal ills lies where it must lie-with the hierarchy that appointed the bishops, that ordained the priests, that accepted the seminarians that have been found wanting. Hell will not prevail over the Church, but there is a judgement day for all souls.

  • Posted by: - Feb. 26, 2006 6:30 PM ET USA

    When a handful of bishops in the U.S. are really trusted by traditional Catholics, and active homosexuals in bishop chairs and maybe even Cardinal hats, when a gay friendly bishop is just promoted to the bishop chair in SF, Catholic colleges routinely undermine the church with little reprimand from the Vatican, and most European countries average 1.2 children and some may attend Mass with one child. No, the Vatican shares no responsibility for Europe's decline. No it's all our fault.

  • Posted by: John J Plick - Feb. 26, 2006 1:24 PM ET USA

    I don't think I would concur with that conclusion, convert.... The Church chronically has a very sharp eye with regard to the defects of institutions outside of itself and a very dull perception of the potency of Her own hypocrisy in the demise of individuals, nations and otherwise, that that hypocrisy infects. Something in the Minor Prophets, with regard to the lethality of the sin of Israel, "If the Lord had not perserved a remnant we would have been like Sodom..."

  • Posted by: Convert1994 - Feb. 25, 2006 8:30 AM ET USA

    You could make that argument, Linus, but you would lose.

  • Posted by: Linus682 - Feb. 25, 2006 7:37 AM ET USA

    An argument could be made that the Vatican is complicit in the decline of Europe into abject secularism by its embrace of modernism during VCII and its corresponding failure to speak forcefully on such issues for fear of offending the ecuminists. Culture wars are not won by strategic withdrawals...

  • Posted by: Cantor Rich - Feb. 25, 2006 1:21 AM ET USA

    AB, this may be exactly what we need for a renaissance of Christianity: The Church has always thrived when the chips are down, when She is persecuted; just look at history. I don't have the Father's prescience, however, this may be His exact programme of action. Perhaps what is needed is a new Christian pogrom, perhaps the phoenix rising from her own ashes-God knows that this has happened before, and may yet again. That is why I remain an optimist: Hell will not prevail over the Church.

  • Posted by: miasarx - Feb. 24, 2006 7:28 PM ET USA

    I say don't throw in the towel on the USA! We at least have a culture war happening! Either the end is coming or it's not, but in each case the plan is the same: Fight the GOOD fight.

  • Posted by: - Feb. 24, 2006 3:49 PM ET USA

    If it happens this century, it won’t be the first time barbarians from the east destroy western European civilization. As for America, methinks we’re in for the same sort of unhappy ending. As others have said, it’s not a question of “if” but of “when.” If the Latin Church were the Church of old, she might be able to stem or at least slow the tide. Unfortunately, most of our churchmen have succumbed to the disease of secular modernism, placing us all in great danger.

  • Posted by: - Feb. 24, 2006 10:09 AM ET USA

    The surprising thing about America is how so many people in small towns and rural communities still reject and ignore the elite culture that has much in common with the suicidal Europeans. I agree that there is still hope for America, but it won't be coming from either coast, try the midwest, Nebraska, Colorado, the south maybe, these are places where there is hope for Western culture. South Dakota is pressing the abolition of abortion, not the "progressives" from NY or LA.

  • Posted by: - Feb. 24, 2006 9:51 AM ET USA

    The social and religious disintegration in the U. S. has not proceeded to the point of no return, unlike the disintegration in Europe. There is still time to turn things around and it behooves all Catholics to live a life of evangelism. Most of us haven't done a good job to date. We must pray without ceasing for the grace to live outgoing Christian lives.

  • Posted by: patriot6908 - Feb. 24, 2006 9:21 AM ET USA

    A few modifications in this paragraph, and it could apply to a large segment of much of American society minus its new Latin-American immigrants, and orthodox Christians and Jews. That Europe is in the avant-garde of cultural and political suicide gives us nothing much to brag about. Just ask any of our progressive religious, abortion Catholics, agnostic Protestants, or reformed Jews. Or visit your local college campus. Hemlock now or later?

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