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building a "both/and" church

By Diogenes (articles ) | Oct 10, 2005

[Cardinal Medina's] letter had been expected to form the basis of the document from the Congregation for Catholic Education, but in the years since it was published, Vatican officials have said the eventual policy would be more nuanced.

The consideration of homosexuality may be more nuanced than it appears on paper, said the Rev. James Wehner, rector of St. Paul Seminary in East Carnegie.

A U.S. expert on priests and sexuality who has discussed the proposed policy with Vatican officials said Thursday that he expects the rule to be "nuanced, not an outright ban."

Help me out here. We all recognize there are some areas of decision-making better left to individual discretion, and others better subject to guidelines. Once our superiors have opted for issuing guidelines, however, do we really want them to be nuanced?

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  • Posted by: Pseudodionysius - Oct. 11, 2005 9:06 AM ET USA

    Nuanced means: "Steamroller approaching. Pray you will not be one of Eliot's "flat souls""

  • Posted by: www.inquisition.ca - Oct. 11, 2005 7:14 AM ET USA

    I say "Amen!" to "Pat Cleburne" and "Psalms"!

  • Posted by: Fr. William - Oct. 10, 2005 11:41 PM ET USA

    Good points, as always, Diogenes. The "nuancing" of guidelines has to stop. We need clarity, not all the possible options for sowing seeds of confusion. I mean, Cdl. Mahony's communications office, along with some of the priests (Cozzens, etc...) cited in the USA Today article, probably wrote the rough-drafts of the sign you've posted. We need Successors to the Apostles, not diplomats.

  • Posted by: florentine - Oct. 10, 2005 10:30 PM ET USA

    Does the Vatican not realize that the Catholic priesthood will have great difficulty attracting holy men with true vocations as long as there is even a hint of "nuancing" going on ? Can they really have missed the scandal results : destroyed lives, a billion dollars in damages, loss of trust, not to mention harm to the holy priests.. etc. etc.... 80 % of abuses due to homosexual molestations, rapes? And they still refuse to get tough and try to prevent more of the same?

  • Posted by: Catholicity - Oct. 10, 2005 7:10 PM ET USA

    Why do they call them committees when the never commit to anything? Moral courage has flown out the window when they bring out dusty old words like nuanced. Its just a harbinger of bad things to come.

  • Posted by: Psalms - Oct. 10, 2005 6:48 PM ET USA

    Until the Bishops who run the seminarys and also happen to be practicing homosexuals are removed from their posts, there will be no change.

  • Posted by: - Oct. 10, 2005 3:11 PM ET USA

    "Nuanced" is USCCB code for "milquetoast."

  • Posted by: - Oct. 10, 2005 2:04 PM ET USA

    Gays have been banned from seminaries since the 1960's. Has the ban been effective? No. As we've discussed in a previous thread, the seminaries have to be reformed by sacking the faculties and creating an ascetic, rigorous environment uninviting to the homosexual. More words will not cure this evil; only action will.

  • Posted by: - Oct. 10, 2005 1:53 PM ET USA

    A father has no right to ask obedience of laws from his child if he himself is not willing to follow them.

  • Posted by: Pseudodionysius - Oct. 10, 2005 1:40 PM ET USA

    Narrow is the gate.

  • Posted by: Ignacio177 - Oct. 10, 2005 1:27 PM ET USA

    Let us pray that the forces of evil don't win this one. They are working very hard to destroy what should be a clear document. They want to insert weasel words so that they can have wiggle room and can continue business as usual. Tomorrows reading from Romans 1 should be taken to heart.

  • Posted by: - Oct. 10, 2005 1:07 PM ET USA

    It seems that we are witnessing a loss of nerves, or there are still too many in decissionmakers who are struggling with SSA, or both. An institution, which cannot reform itself is corrupt.

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