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By Diogenes (articles ) | April 23, 2004 10:08 AM

Redemptionis Sacramentum in a nutshell:

OK, I made the last one up. But if it were promulated and enforced, it would render the other corrections superfluous. Power to your right arm, Eminenza.

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  • Posted by: - Apr. 24, 2004 4:56 PM ET USA

    A coffee-table liturgy (gosh, are they still doing these?) used to take place at home Masses, when the priest and everyone else sat around the "altar" (coffee table covered, one hopes, with a cloth) as Mass was celebrated. We had a First Friday home Mass group in the early 80s, abetted by Jesuit grad student priests and some diocesan priests. All in all, it was, sad to say, far more reverent than most of the parish Masses I've been to in the past 10 years.

  • Posted by: - Apr. 24, 2004 3:49 PM ET USA

    JD56 - any priest can offer the traditional Latin Mass if he wants to. Quo Primum was never abrogated and remains in effect. At least that is the opinion of the Pope's commission of cardinals who examined the question. Unfortunately that same priest can kiss any advancement in his career goodbye if his ordinary doesn't like it. The bishop doesn't have to give any reason for why he chooses to transfer the "errant" priest to some Gulag. He can just write the order.

  • Posted by: Joseph Paul - Apr. 24, 2004 4:49 AM ET USA

    You are wrong Abraham Tolemahcs (happily), Article 184 says: "Any Catholic, ... or lay member of Christ’s faithful, has the right to lodge a complaint regarding a liturgical abuse to the diocesan Bishop or the competent Ordinary equivalent to him in law, or to the Apostolic See on account of the primacy of the Roman Pontiff.[290] It is fitting, however, insofar as possible, that the report or complaint be submitted first to the diocesan Bishop. This is naturally to be done in truth and charity.

  • Posted by: - Apr. 23, 2004 8:39 PM ET USA

    "Please, someone tell me I'm wrong about this. " Okay, Abraham...you're wrong about this. (Although, alas, not entirely.) It depends on the bishop. And the hype this gets. And how totally P.O.'d a given region of laity gets about liturgical abuse. That said, I admit I'm stumped. What's a "coffee table liturgy?" I mean, I understand about the Italian cologne, naturally.

  • Posted by: - Apr. 23, 2004 1:55 PM ET USA

    I guess I can't blame you Diogenes for being a glass is half empty kind of guy, but this does give me some hope where anyone with a computer can download this from the Vatican web site and have something real to take with them to the Bishops. I am heartened by chapter V no2. " ... Priests are always and everywhere permitted to celebrate the Mass in Latin. Could this be a olive branch to the Society of St. Pius X ?

  • Posted by: - Apr. 23, 2004 1:52 PM ET USA

    God Bless Cardinal Arinze!!! I now have a weapon.

  • Posted by: Abraham Tolemahcs - Apr. 23, 2004 1:33 PM ET USA

    Okay, so we get a new document from Rome but what's the point if no one from Rome on down to the Bishops is going to enforce it? And still, there is no speedy or certain recourse for the laity when the priest has clearly committed some form of liturgical abuse. He certainly can't report it to the Bishop and expect the wrong to be righted. Please, someone tell me I'm wrong about this.

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