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By Jeff (articles ) | Dec 06, 2003

From today's Milwaukee Journal Sentinel:

In a letter obtained by the Journal Sentinel, [Archbishop-elect Raymond] Burke told ministry coordinator Marge Schumann that her organization should no longer participate in the [AIDS] walk because two other groups that benefit from it ... promote homosexual activity.

"What is of graver scandal, they both promote homosexuality among young people," Burke wrote.

"By participating in AIDS Walk Wisconsin, the Central Wisconsin HIV/AIDS Ministry would be cooperating materially with groups that act against the moral law."

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  • Posted by: - Dec. 09, 2003 11:24 PM ET USA

    Concern for the "wall of separation" is well-founded. Both for the health of the State and the Church. The problem today, though, is that the Democratic Party believes that it is the Pope. And more. The aggression, the arrogance of power does not come from the Church side (this "sorry bench of Bishops", as Bishop Bruskewitz called them), but from the Democratic Party, a ruling class manque. And from their minions, the media. For a Bishop who stands up to them and says "back off", I say Hooray!

  • Posted by: extremeCatholic - Dec. 08, 2003 10:16 PM ET USA

    I believe the carefully maintained fiction is that these organizations do not promote homosexual activity but promote tolerance and acceptance of homosexual persons which is a line many bishops themselves use: "love the sinner, hate the sin"

  • Posted by: - Dec. 08, 2003 1:56 PM ET USA

    Politicians who set MISINTERPRETATIONS of the Constitution of the United States and the wishes of their infidel constituents ABOVE the Law of God ! Such men and women should have the honesty, decency, and good grace, to admit that they are not Catholics and just go off and join the nearest anarchistic sect ! In the "good old days" the Church did not hesitate to expell disloyal "members." Vive, Viva, W.F. Too brilliant for some !

  • Posted by: - Dec. 07, 2003 1:25 PM ET USA

    Gil, et al: Yes, it was tongue in cheek. I thought the second part made it obvious. I guess I possess far more subtlety than I thought.

  • Posted by: - Dec. 06, 2003 8:56 PM ET USA

    Where is Abp. Dolan in all this? We have a bishop from 'the sticks' of LaCrosse (Far Western WI - 'the sticks' to Milwaukeeans) upholding the Faith and giving direction to public and private citizens. But not a word from the Abp.? "Nothing in the pipeline..." according to an Archdiocesan spokesperson. Why not, your Grace? One of your own flock - Pedro Colon - reacted indignantly that he should be expected to put his faith before re-election, and you have nothing to say? 'Duc in altum...'

  • Posted by: Gil125 - Dec. 06, 2003 4:57 PM ET USA

    I was about to write a sharp rejoinder to WF, but I reread the post and decided it was written with tongue in cheek, so I just chuckled and nodded. Uh, WF: your tongue IS in your cheek? Right?

  • Posted by: - Dec. 06, 2003 4:44 PM ET USA

    WF, show me were in the Constitution there is anything about a wall. The 1st Amendment "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of RELIGION or prohibiting the FREE exercise thereof". Do me a favor and read David Bartons "Orignial Intent" The Courts,the Constitution & Religion. See how our judicial systemn has perverted the Constituion Hooray for Bishop Raymond Burke, God Bless him

  • Posted by: - Dec. 06, 2003 4:32 PM ET USA

    Hooray for Bishop Raymond Burke the Arch Bishop Delegate to St. Louis He is on a roll, God bless him. I hope it infectious

  • Posted by: AveMaria580 - Dec. 06, 2003 3:05 PM ET USA

    The bishop is doing what a bishop is supposed to do--teaching the faith and holding Catholics accountable to that faith. The Church is to form the culture not the other way around. When the morality of any nation degrades so does the life of the nation. Gay organizatioans actively promote homosexuality among or with minors. We should thank God that a bishop has the courage to challenge this. What a difficult life for youth. If they are allowed to live, they must then walk a moral mine field.

  • Posted by: - Dec. 06, 2003 2:58 PM ET USA

    wf,. obviously, you want the bishop to have no say in his own diocese or on moral matters in our society. that's been just the problem.so, if the issue was slavery, he should also keep his mouth shut. only abortion lobbies can have a say. conscience so often means "my opinion" and not formed by objective truth. so-called "catholic politicians" who are no different than pagan ones need to be called to task. faithful catholic politicans should stand for the truth, not for pc.

  • Posted by: - Dec. 06, 2003 2:13 PM ET USA

    I'm sorry but WF has it completely wrong. Members of the church, indeed members of the clergy, still possess fully all their constitution rights - including the right of free speech. WF's understanding of the so called "Wall of Separation" in that Amendment is similarly incorrect. The Amendment does not prohibit churhces or church members from involving themselves in government, it is exactly the opposite. The State is precluded from making any law with respect of religion. GO BISHOP BURKE!

  • Posted by: - Dec. 06, 2003 12:41 PM ET USA

    Let us pray that Bishop Burke is setting a precedent that will sweep the country. It is all so long overdue! It started with silence on birth control with the issuance of Humanae Vitae on 25 Jul 68 and continues to this day.

  • Posted by: - Dec. 06, 2003 12:35 PM ET USA

    As far as the question of church & state being used to restrict Bishop Burke's directive to avoid voting for legislation that promotes the killing of the Unborn (abortion). If it is true that Killing the infant is a truth then it applies to everyone and should not be considered as a pure matter of church discipline. Truth is truth,from wherever it's originates. Is establising safety measures to protect life, such as Traffic lights or Stop Signs up to the individual conscience? Life is life!

  • Posted by: - Dec. 06, 2003 11:38 AM ET USA

    What's happening here should alarm us all. First the bishop has tried to knock down the wall of separation between church and state by instructing Catholic politicians how to vote on matters of conscience. Now, he's trying to knock down the wall of separation between the bishop and the bishop's charities and agencies! Certainly this does not bode well for the republic.

  • Posted by: peco - Dec. 06, 2003 10:40 AM ET USA

    And our parish in the Pueblo, Colorado diocese sees no problem allowing a secular concert to be held in our church with one of the main sponsors being the Gay and Lesbian Fund of Colorado! Of course the Gay and Lesbian Fund logo emblazoned on the promotional material right there with St. Mary's Catholic Church is no problem either. An to oppose this fiasco is to be "intolerant", "not inclusive" or "not welcoming". Kudos to Bishop Burke. Clergy with guts --- what a concept!

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