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By Diogenes (articles ) | Oct 20, 2003

Via the Washington Post.

"We're in effect watching the pope die," said Catholic commentator and journalist John Allen. "We're not used to seeing that."

Sure you are. Just ask your colleague Peter Hebblethwaite.

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  • Posted by: Fox - Oct. 27, 2003 12:30 AM ET USA

    And about Hebblethwaite: he had so much inside knowledge of the Vatican & the history of the papacy that he could give real insight into why things happened, & he never gave up his faith in the Church & the papacy. I lived through the Kobe, Japan earthquake which turned my whole life upside down just when Hebblethwaite died but his death hit me harder than the earthquake. He often helped me keep my faith in the Church in spite of many painful blows against it from the can-do-no-wrong hierarchy.

  • Posted by: Fox - Oct. 27, 2003 12:22 AM ET USA

    Allen is referring to the surprising openness with which the Pope and the Vatican are allowing the world to see the pope's condition, after many instances of denying anything is going on. You guys don't recognize a neutral, faithful observation when you see it, you are so ready to read Allen as one of those "cherry-picking liberals" you hate so much. I'm getting really tired of your critical, totally non-Christian comments. We are all the church so I don't cut you out of it, but wouldn't Jesus?

  • Posted by: - Oct. 20, 2003 6:21 PM ET USA

    Are these guys all that young? Never seen a Pope die before (not that JPII is necessarily about to depart...)? I don't consider myself ancient, but I've been around for the deaths of four of JPII's predecessors. On second thoughts, maybe I am just ancient...

  • Posted by: AveMaria580 - Oct. 20, 2003 4:23 PM ET USA

    They would be much better off if they watched the pope live. Even in his physical struggles he is a model of how to live. And, his entire pontificate has been a model of following Christ and carrying the cross.