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By Diogenes (articles ) | Mar 19, 2007

and me.

James Massola: Did you ever think that Robert Drinan S.J., might have had the right idea -- a 'top down' approach -- he entered Congress, put forward a motion to dismiss Nixon, spent ten years there, was a visible person on the Hill. Do you ever think you should have done something like that instead?

Fr. John Dear, S.J.: I lived with Robert Drinan, he is a great man, and he taught me a lot. He told me in 1982, if you want to go around talking about peace and justice, you have to write books, so people will invite you to speak. And I don't know how to write, but I've written 25 books. And I blame him!

To be in Congress is really to be working with the nuclear industry, and planning the destruction of the planet, and I think now things are so out of hand, and yet, there are some good people -- there are certain good people, I'm friends with congressmen and senators through my work-- but I think the role of a Christian in the US is to resist these structures and change them, and create a non-violent US.

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  • Posted by: - Mar. 22, 2007 5:12 PM ET USA

    For many years ( I am 77) I have confessed and received spiritual advice from Jesuit priests.As a doctor I have treated a reasonable number of them.I have never the feeling of being led astray by erroneous doctrins.In fact I always was encouraged to rely mainly in my own head,in praying with the Church the prayers of the Church ,in reading the Holy Bible and some commentaries. Off course they are mere men and subject to many kinds of frailties.So am I.

  • Posted by: - Mar. 21, 2007 7:18 AM ET USA

    I second Woody, and up his ante. As much as abortion is a manifestation of our spiritual impoverishment & materialism, so too is our militarism. Most of us are insulated from the consequences of the violence & economic injustice done on our behalf. That may soon change. Muslims are not bound by the Beatitudes. We are. And we fail in them at our peril. They will not forget our violence (I've asked many of them) - but we are ordered to. Yet we do not. Beware. They may be the scourge of God.

  • Posted by: - Mar. 20, 2007 11:34 PM ET USA

    So it's OK to be comfortable with yourself spiritually (no need to check your conscience against the 10 Commandments or Church doctrine or anything like that) but not OK to be comfortable with being American (at least the kind who fights back). What about resisting structures of evil? Relativism, indifferentism, general moral lassitude, pornography in adverisements, etc. etc.

  • Posted by: - Mar. 20, 2007 8:59 AM ET USA

    While Fr Dear may be way off base in relation to abortion and other matters, his views on Iraq echo those of many loyal, traditionally-minded Catholics outside the US. America's illegal and immoral adventure into Iraq has left the Middle East - and our Catholic brethren there - full of fear for the future.

  • Posted by: - Mar. 19, 2007 11:10 PM ET USA

    Father Drinan, SJ, & Father Dear, SJ, are cut from the same cloth: traitors' cloth. By their own words & deeds, they have shown that they are not in Communion with the Roman Catholic Church, the Magisterium & the Holy Father. May God have mercy on Fr. Drinan's soul. May Fr. Dear come to his senses & return the Catholic Church (&, in the meantime, may some Church leader excommunicate him for the good of his own soul & for the sake of the Faithful being subjected to his traitorous words/deeds).

  • Posted by: - Mar. 19, 2007 6:08 PM ET USA

    "And I don't know how to write, but I've written 25 books." Unfortunately, Fr Dear doesn't know how to speak, either, though he's given countless talks and sermons. (I know this because, believe it or not, I've sat under a couple of "regular" parish homilies of his!)

  • Posted by: - Mar. 19, 2007 5:37 PM ET USA

    To the credit of U.S. Jesuits, most think John Dear is a nut and an intellectual light weight.

  • Posted by: - Mar. 19, 2007 2:50 PM ET USA

    One more comment, more charitable, on Father Dear. Were he not so unyielding in his belief -- yes, belief -- on the authority of the church to ordain women, I could accept his views on nonviolence as a bit of quirky magical unrealism, nice thoughts of the sort afforded those who've never had to face down the prospect of irrational violence. A lot of priests are like that, as we know, as are a lot of our fellow Americans and most Canadians. But's he's a heretic who should not be a priest.

  • Posted by: - Mar. 19, 2007 2:42 PM ET USA

    I found the last answer more telling, how Fr. Dear says that although Fr. Drinan encouraged him to organize Jesuits to kneel in protest outside the White House, the congressman himself was unwilling to join.

  • Posted by: - Mar. 19, 2007 1:59 PM ET USA

    Two more examples of why the Society of Jesus needs to relegated to the ash heap of history.

  • Posted by: - Mar. 19, 2007 1:56 PM ET USA

    Catholicity ask how "Fr.Dear" got to be a priest without being asked why he wanted to be a priest. I suspect they asked him why he wanted to be a Jesuit and he said: "I want to be just like Fr. Drinan". Now I know how he got to be a Jesuit but I still wonder how he became a priest (if in fact he really has!)naltz

  • Posted by: - Mar. 19, 2007 12:40 PM ET USA

    It's also comforting to sleep at night knowing that John Dear, Society of Judas, would not lift a hand in violence to defend my children were their boundaries about to be crossed by a perv priest. Thanks, Father. Peace on you.

  • Posted by: - Mar. 19, 2007 12:38 PM ET USA

    "I can envision, one day, a world without war, a world without hate." --- Rev. John Dear, S.J. "And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it." ---Osame Bin Laden

  • Posted by: - Mar. 19, 2007 12:25 PM ET USA

    They could have joined the Peace Corps instead of the priesthood. Both of them could have saved many souls and still did their activist work.

  • Posted by: - Mar. 19, 2007 12:25 PM ET USA

    PLEASE, Readers, do not skip the link. Read the original article! You will learn that Fr. Dear "has written 25 books, has two Masters degrees in theology, has been arrested 75 times, and faces another court case..." His first answer starts, "...I love Australia, and I love Australians, and the only thing I don't like is your co-operation with the United States." Maybe we could get Qantas to refuse to honor his return ticket.

  • Posted by: - Mar. 19, 2007 12:05 PM ET USA

    Hmmm.... a non-violent US. I wonder if he considers self-defense to be violent? If so, he should just throw aside his jesuit cardigan (surely he doesn't wear a roman collar) and recite the following: Ash hadu alla ilaha illa Allah, wa ash hadu anna Mohammadan abduhu wa rasuluhu. Then he can link arms with his fellow Muslims as they journey forward bestowing 'peace' upon the rest of the world. Me, I'll be one of those violent self-defenders. I'm not progressed enough for martyrdom.

  • Posted by: - Mar. 19, 2007 11:30 AM ET USA

    "I lived with Robert Drinan, he is a great man...." --John Dear, S.J. Dearest Father Dear: If you consider a person who was an devout proponent of murdering innocent unborn children a "great" man, and you have the nerve to identify yourself as some kind of peace activist, I might suggest that you pause in your mania a bit and consider your future--in the next life that is. In all probability, Fr. Drinan is very thirsty. I don't think you want to join him.

  • Posted by: - Mar. 19, 2007 11:13 AM ET USA

    Don't they ask candidates for the priesthood: "Why do you want to be a priest?" The only correct answer would be "to save souls." I don't see that anywhere in the above article. How did this guy get in? If priests were concerned about saving souls instead of whatever other agenda drives them, maybe the world would look a bit different. St. John Vianney comes to mind as a great example.

  • Posted by: - Mar. 19, 2007 10:33 AM ET USA

    Being a Jesuit means never having to say you're sorry for not making sense.

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