the bishop brings peace, again
Bishop Tom, like most of us, has spent his life confronted with no threat more serious than overcooked pasta or a parking ticket. Yet he feels justified in upbraiding Pope Benedict for failing to see the mote in his own eye in his criticism of Islamic jihad. We Christians, you see, spread our faith through violence also, gleefully abetted by the Popes:
The whole so-called conquest of the Americas was a violent spreading of the faith. Latin America especially. It was so terrible there that back in the 16th century the bishop who founded the diocese of San Cristóbal de Las Casas in Mexico down around Chiapas, Bartolomé de las Casas, was condemned by the pope because he condemned those who were killing the natives. He said, "This is no way to spread the Christian faith." He was condemned and removed as a missionary from Mexico. Our history is filled with that kind of violence.
"... because he condemned those who were killing the natives." The Catholic Encyclopedia gives a somewhat different picture.
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Posted by: Fr. William -
Sep. 29, 2006 3:30 PM ET USA
Is it possible that Poor Bp. Tom Gumbleton even listened to the Holy Father's talk or read the entire lecture? Poor Bp. Tom has drifted far from Jesus Christ & the Teachings of His Church. How can Poor Bp. Tom be permitted to speak in public or write or function in any capacity as a Successor to the Apostles. Can't the Holy Father silence him? The damage Poor Bp. Tom continues to do is nearly immeasurable as he misleads, misguides & misdirects the people of God. Holy Archangels, pray for us
Posted by: Gertrude -
Sep. 29, 2006 2:21 PM ET USA
Hummm...it's okay for him to criticize the Pope, his boss, but we aren't supposed to criticize bishop's because we're are fracturing the Church's unity....I wonder how that works exactly.....
Posted by: -
Sep. 29, 2006 1:35 PM ET USA
Posted by: hUMPTY dUMPTY -
Sep. 29, 2006 5:50 AM ET USA
The movie "Mission" gives the story of the efforts of the Bishop and the Jebbies to oppose the genocide of the enslaving Portugese and Spanish with the overt suppport of Rome. WWJD
Posted by: Clorox -
Sep. 28, 2006 11:39 PM ET USA
Bishop Gumbleton is still alive?
Posted by: -
Sep. 28, 2006 9:33 PM ET USA
Bishop Tom, like most Liberals, buys whole hog the English Enlightenment's vicious distortion of post-reformation European history. This history is always rendered as being a simple matter of hateful Catholic Spaniards vs. benigne and forward-looking (anti- Catholic, of course) Englishmen. In doing this he shows himself lazy as well as dishonest.
Posted by: westcoast subscriber -
Sep. 28, 2006 8:21 PM ET USA
I was in Mexico for third grade - my history text said Fray Bartolome de las Casas was a hero!
Posted by: Janet Baker -
Sep. 28, 2006 7:59 PM ET USA
Now we know the good bishop's retirement was given a jump-start. But surely there couldn't be any resentment of such - or could there be? Anyway, leave it to the NCR to give this man a bully-pulpit.
Posted by: Gentle Bill -
Sep. 28, 2006 6:19 PM ET USA
I am reminded of a line spoken by Eddie Murphy when he was just starting out on Saturday Night Live. "Dammit, I am Gumbie!" And so Tommy is - "Gumby." Some people have a hard time accepting authority, especially after they have been named a bishop. Note to T.G.: You are just a little bit player, my friend. Benedict XVI is the pope, and I would prefer to follow his lead than yours.
Posted by: poor soul -
Sep. 28, 2006 4:49 PM ET USA
Okay, let's play and say that Christendom has used violence to spread the gospel. The pot calling the kettle black, so to speak. Even when it's the claim of the pot that the kettle is black, the pot is not incorrect. Message to Bishop Tommy - "This sentence is false."
Posted by: Pseudodionysius -
Sep. 28, 2006 3:54 PM ET USA
http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2003/128/53.0.html I think this article at Christianity Today, written by Rodney Stark, Professor of Sociology and Comparative Religion at the University of Washington, eviscerates Major Tom and Ground Control.
Posted by: Ignacio177 -
Sep. 28, 2006 2:26 PM ET USA
Poor old Tommy, we can only hope he does not attempt to marry a moonie and ordain married bishops. While he may be mentally unstable let us pray he does not put into danger his immortal soul.
Posted by: -
Sep. 28, 2006 12:53 PM ET USA
Just for a second accept the Good Bishop's statement as fact. You cannot fail to notice (well ok, he does fail) two striking facts: 1) Someone DID speak against the violence. (Have you heard the same from any Imam?) 2) Nobody issued a fatwa calling for Las Casas' assassination. So, even if he were right, his argument is foolish.
Posted by: Gino -
Sep. 28, 2006 10:10 AM ET USA
I did not even have to look to know that Bishop Gumbleton was the critic of the Pope. He has become so ridiculous that now he is absolutely irrelevant.
Posted by: Tomasito -
Sep. 28, 2006 9:47 AM ET USA
One big difference between said "Christian" violence and Muslim violence however is the doctrine of Christianity, which has no promotion of violence by its members. The closest the New Testament comes to a militant approach is putting on the armor of Christ. Now, not all Muslims are violent, but there are specific directions in the Koran to exercise violence. Besides, this "mote" is not Pope Benedict's, it is the mote of the pope who was referred to. Sigh. How annoying.