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By Diogenes (articles ) | Sep 12, 2006

Amy links to an article from the Toronto Star gauging the local reaction to the Pope's ad limina address to the Catholic bishops. An excerpt:

Donna Marie Kennedy, president of the Ontario English Catholic Teachers Association, says students in the separate school system are taught Catholic values as part of the curriculum, but are not graded on their level of adherence to papal edicts.

"How can I judge someone else's faith journey?" she asked. "That's a personal relationship."

Papal edicts, you say? Not a word a well-disposed commenter would use. I don't know of any academy, anywhere, in which students are "graded on their level of adherence to papal edicts," yet if Kennedy is really neutral, it's almost certainly a good thing. All indications are that the marks she'd assign would vary inversely with the degree of concurrence.

Kennedy said she doubted the Pope's comments would lead teachers to infuse more theology into their lessons. "As a teacher, I don't dispense theological advice."

Oh, but you do, my dear.

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  • Posted by: scunoology - Sep. 13, 2006 8:20 PM ET USA

    I am a member of the union of which Ms. Kennedy is leader. I can assure you that her opinion is the one held by the majority of "Catholic" teachers and school administrators in Ontario. I can probably count on the fingers of both hands the number of faithful, orthodox catholic educators I have met in my 25 years in education in Canada. Its sad that we have so few teachers who will stand up for the Faith.

  • Posted by: Coco - Sep. 13, 2006 6:33 PM ET USA

    It was such a suprise to the apostles to see people bringing children to Jesus that the apostles responded by shewing them away. Jesus brought them back, but only to use them to make t teaching point TO THE ADULTS. You can't find one place in the scripture where Jesus exclusively teaches children. Even Jesus respected the law that PARENTS teach children. If our church spent more time teaching the adults the catechism, we would not have to worry about the kids. Its called subsidiarity.

  • Posted by: - Sep. 13, 2006 2:08 PM ET USA

    students in the science class are taught about gravity as part of the curriculum, but are not graded on their level of adherence to Newton's edicts. Let me release a brick over Ms. Kennedy's head to give an example of my science journey. Pray for Ms. Kennedy. She will have to endure for all eternity the torments of all those whom she has condemned to Hell.

  • Posted by: hUMPTY dUMPTY - Sep. 13, 2006 11:08 AM ET USA

    Grading on Papal Edicts? Isn't that what is done when Catholic Theologians are removed from their teaching positions, ala Frs. Kung, Curran, et al? Aren't the Bishops supposed to grade the Theologians at Catholic Universities before giving them teaching permits? Whether this should be done is another question, but the procedures are already in place and are being utilized, albeit not in full agreement with many traditionalist critics. WWJD?

  • Posted by: sparch - Sep. 13, 2006 10:43 AM ET USA

    That is precisely the reason I send my children to Catholic School, so the theology of the church can be taught and understood in the context of the subject matter. I want to make sure that what is taught at home reflects that which is taught in the school. This is not teaching for teaching sake, but preparing children for what the world has in store.

  • Posted by: Shan2122 - Sep. 12, 2006 9:57 PM ET USA

    The Second of the Luminous Mysteries calls us to reflect on the Wedding feast at Cana where Mary, the Mother of God and our Mother, says, "Do whatever he tells you". (John 2:5)

  • Posted by: Gino - Sep. 12, 2006 9:09 PM ET USA

    As long ago as thirty years, I casually asked my 12 year old Parochial School student to name the Holy Days of Obligation. She had no idea. I was teaching CCD at the time so I asked the Nun who was Principal of the Parochial School about the matter. She informed me that she was teaching the children in her school to be "GOOD CHRISTIANS, NOT CATECHISM ROBOTS"! Looks like the "Catholic" teachers succeeded!

  • Posted by: Fatimabeliever - Sep. 12, 2006 5:20 PM ET USA

    Also we should remind them that when Moses didn't do exactly as God commanded him to do, MOSES DIDN'T GET TO SEE THE PROMSIE LAND. Hopefully, all the Bishops who didn't want to do this have gone on to face God, Himself on this matter.

  • Posted by: Fatimabeliever - Sep. 12, 2006 5:17 PM ET USA

    In all truth and honesty we would not be having any trouble if the Bishops and the Pope would do as the Blessed Virgin Mary has requested them to do. But it is already late, but hopefully not too late. We, Catholics, need to insist that everyone start praying the Rosary everyday and beg our Bishops, our Priest, our Cardinals, and our Pope to dedicate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary in each parish throughout the world on one specific day, let's say Saturday, October 8th at 3 P.M.

  • Posted by: Ignacio177 - Sep. 12, 2006 4:25 PM ET USA

    In a Catholic School there is nothing more important than teaching the Gospel forming good Catholic persons. If the teacher has anyother end in mind they need to be dismissed. The most important truth is the Truth that saves us.

  • Posted by: - Sep. 12, 2006 4:24 PM ET USA

    As a product of an all-Catholic education, and a parent, I can attest to the fact that Catholic schools aren’t what they used to be--that is, they are anything but Catholic. But then, today’s Church isn’t wholly Catholic either; she has been Protestantized in many respects. This sad fact is the direct result of the changes that took place after Vatican II. No more nuns; no more brothers; no more “rigid” theology; no more Catholic schooling. Now it’s just, “Jesus was a nice guy and He loves you.”

  • Posted by: - Sep. 12, 2006 4:23 PM ET USA

    The key term here is "Ontario English Catholic Teachers Association." http://catholicinsight.com/online/church/education/article_82.shtml . . . Catholic teachers in the province have to belong to OECTA . . . under the control of dissenting members. . . affirms the right of women to ordination to the priesthood, favours privileges for homosexuals, and has invited prominent dissenters and pro-abortion politicians to speak at its meetings. See also www.oecta.on.ca/agms/agm2006/hrcaucus.htm

  • Posted by: - Sep. 12, 2006 1:01 PM ET USA

    Ms. Kennedy must dispense only prophetic witness, in accordance with the "edicts" of the USCCB described in "Always Our Children" and "Economic Justice for All." And the hapless bench of American bishops wonder why enrollment is plummeting in obstensibly Catholic schools.

  • Posted by: - Sep. 12, 2006 11:52 AM ET USA

    In my town there is "Catholic" education available K-12 (School Sisters of Notre Dame). After interviewing the staff, I chose to send my kids to public school. I figured at I and my husband could teach them correctly and would be preferable to having to fight against errant "Catholic" teaching. In fact, most of the teachers were non-Catholic and the elementary Principal is non-Catholic. How do you suppose THEY pass on a love of the Catholic faith?? I agree...

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