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By Diogenes (articles ) | Oct 19, 2005

Australian commentator R. John Kinkel chafes at Cardinal George Pell's remarks at the Synod, and laments the current state of the Church, exclaiming, "It did not have to be this way":

WHAT IF… the pope in 1966 followed the advice of the papal birth control commission and stated that this was a matter of conscience for all Catholics. Yes, and what if he had the courage to say that in 1930 the church had overstepped its bounds in condemning artificial birth control. ...

WHAT IF… in about 1975 the Catholic Church saw the need for a married clergy to give our ministry the diversity it needed in dealing with the challenges of the modern world. ...

WHAT IF… in about 1988 the church understood the importance of women: at that time we could have restored the role of women by ordaining them to the diaconate.

What heights of progress and growth would our Church have scaled had she changed herself according to this program? Class, can you answer R. John's question? Anyone? Yes, the little man in the fuchsia blouse ...?

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  • Posted by: Convert1994 - Oct. 21, 2005 4:16 PM ET USA

    You're right, Venerable Aussie, and it's even worse than I thought: R. John Kinkel, Ph.D, went to The Ohio State University! You want that 100K in US or Aussie dollars?

  • Posted by: Venerable Aussie - Oct. 19, 2005 10:52 PM ET USA

    Diogenes: you're at it again! It is evil (and those who have allowed this to hit the blogosphere are materially cooperating) to slander me and the ENTIRE Catholic population of Australia by calling R John Kinkel an "Australian commentator". As the linked article makes clear, he's one of your own! ("teaches sociology at Baker College, Michigan"). That's definitely worth $100,000 in damages. No disputations.

  • Posted by: Gino - Oct. 19, 2005 8:31 PM ET USA

    Is R. John a Jesuit?

  • Posted by: dad2dlj - Oct. 19, 2005 4:44 PM ET USA

    We could be like Unitarians! Mourning the death of the child, yet celebrating the courage of the woman to exercise her "choice". We could stand for every point, and become pointless in the process.

  • Posted by: Fr. William - Oct. 19, 2005 4:20 PM ET USA

    You said it well "Pseudodionysius" and "altar boy"... Kinkel's "What Ifs" would lead us away from Jesus Christ and the Church that He founded on the Apostles... His "What Ifs" would lead us down the wide, wide highway to gay/lesbian/transgendered-Episcopalian/Anglican protestantism & eventually to a non-church "gathering" of unitarian-universalist-self-centered seekers. In a word, Kinkel's "church" would be just one step from the gates of Hell.

  • Posted by: - Oct. 19, 2005 3:02 PM ET USA

    “…the need for a married clergy to give our ministry the diversity it needed in dealing with the challenges of the modern world.” What the Church suffers from today is a malignant explosion of “diversity”? We need unanimity and an end to the disarray brought by those in the laity and the clerical ranks preaching a protestant-style diversity. And if there is chaos in the Church, it is the unhappy result of Vatican II and those, like Kinkel, that use it to teach heresy and promote division.

  • Posted by: Pseudodionysius - Oct. 19, 2005 1:21 PM ET USA

    We'd be enjoying the soul stirring homilies and ecclesial comraderie that we've seen the Episcopal and Anglican Church enjoy. The resplendent harmony between North America and Europe (see Peter Akinola) shows exactly where this type of thinking leads.

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