the gay priest imposture
By Diogenes (articles ) | October 11, 2005 10:32 PM
This week's NCR has an interview with -- don't be shocked -- an anonymous gay priest. The editorial aim is to demonstrate the irrationality of the Church's stance on homosexuality; in fact, the article does just the opposite. A few observations:
You know Paul's image of the body? We are basically going against Paul's image of the body -- we are saying we have no need of the hand or we have no need of the eye. ...
It's as if Jesus came back to the disciples and said, "Oh, by the way, the truth doesn't set you free."
Deny it if you will, but this kind of language betrays its author as unambiguously as stiletto heels and a feather boa. It's Father's faith-warping, not his sexual recreation, that renders him unfit to serve and that vindicates the rightness of the Church's teaching. We're talking about a sickness, a disorder. Those afflicted with the disorder are being lied to on a massive scale. Speaking the truth in this situation invariably brings a hostile reaction, and the moral cowardice that makes peace with the aggressors typically flatters itself with the name of charity.
It's a fraud, folks.
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Posted by: Novus744 -
Oct. 13, 2005 2:12 PM ET USA
Diogenes, I love it when you prove a person wrong point by point. Besides making for interesting reading, you usually bring up something that not many people would consider. Keep it up!
Posted by: Pseudodionysius -
Oct. 13, 2005 11:49 AM ET USA
Peter Akinola call your office. Your flight to Rome has been rescheduled and the ticket price has risen very high. High like Noah's Flood that is.
Posted by: -
Oct. 12, 2005 10:35 PM ET USA
"Jesus then said to those Jews who believed in him, "If you remain in my word, you will truly be my disciples, and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free." Jn 8:31-32 (The quote seems more meaningful in context.)
Posted by: -
Oct. 12, 2005 4:47 PM ET USA
"Apparently, the upcoming document will allow for more honesty, so that priests with homosexual tendencies will no longer be forced to lie. They will simply be in compliance with the document, which will ask them to not be public about it." That ought to solve the problem .....
Posted by: Convert1994 -
Oct. 12, 2005 1:45 PM ET USA
Fiducia? I do believe you've been reading Bishop Spong! He is yet another reason I'm now a happy Catholic and no longer a frustrated Episcopalian...
Posted by: -
Oct. 12, 2005 1:37 PM ET USA
Fraud invalidates marriage, because it is based on consent, and fraud prevents the freedom to consent. A homosexual man who receives holy orders, even if he is not honest about his orientation, is validly, although possibly illicitly, ordained. This is an important distinction and the Vatican upholds it. The validity of the sacraments does not depend upon the faith or righteousness of the priest. The Vatican does not question the validity of sacraments conferred even by pedophiles.
Posted by: Ignacio177 -
Oct. 12, 2005 1:25 PM ET USA
Diogenes great piece. I like the analysis. More than a document we need religous orders and diocesis to publicly state that there policy is no to accept homosexuals or other sexual perverts. You would see their ranks swell. Should there be future charges against liars they could be fired outright and defrocked. It is an invalid sacrament if one receives it under false pretexts.
Posted by: -
Oct. 12, 2005 12:17 PM ET USA
Apparently, the upcoming document will allow for more honesty, so that priests with homosexual tendencies will no longer be forced to lie. They will simply be in compliance with the document, which will ask them to not be public about it. What's more, if the three independently confirmed reports of the Italian newpaper article are true, then the document will demand that priests and seminarians with SSA not accept the "gay" identity or subculture. Hopefully, this will improve orthodoxy.
Posted by: John J Plick -
Oct. 12, 2005 11:45 AM ET USA
It is hard to believe that the above reasoning is not obvious to the Bishops... And if so.... Why are they discussing whether or not to "throw open the gates" as far as Eucharistic reception goes instead of safeguarding the well-being of the flock by dealing practically with this homosexual problem which is already within our midst?
Posted by: Fiducia -
Oct. 12, 2005 10:19 AM ET USA
The example of warping for purposes of self-justification that you note is mild stuff. I have heard Jesus' relationship with John the Apostle pointed to as proof that He was/is gay.
Posted by: -
Oct. 12, 2005 10:02 AM ET USA
Why does this priest -- celibate or not -- identify himself as "gay" above all other things. Perhaps it is a sign of our sexually preoccupied times, or perhaps a sign of capitulation with the world. In past ages, a celibate man who gave in to temptation would have though of this as a sin to be confessed, not a definition of his soul and person. Perhaps priests who identify themselves as "gay" retain an attachment to the lifestyle that goes along with this status? Only God knows.
Posted by: Lucius -
Oct. 12, 2005 9:44 AM ET USA
The fact that Fr.X can testity to the reaction of gay priests reveals more of the problem: a gay network and clerical subculture which is at odds with the teachings of Christ's Church they are supposed to be serving. This is why the Church's document needs to be hardhitting leaving no wiggle room. The priesthood must be purified of these networks and this subculture for real reform to take place. Saint Peter Damian pray for us.
Posted by: -
Oct. 12, 2005 8:52 AM ET USA
In addition, Diogenes, it's interesting to note this comment: "But I sure have preached about it, I’ve preached about homophobia and persecution of gays." Note that he does NOT preach about the immorality of homosexual acts or the fact that the inclination is a disorder or the truth that freedom can be had from these proclivities. Therein lies the true weakness -- if they identify with the 'gay' lifestyle as this priest does, they cannot preach the fullness of truth.