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the counter-reformation

By Diogenes (articles ) | Oct 04, 2005

When they meet in November at the Hyatt Regency on Capitol Hill, the US bishops will have their hands full. There are dioceses going bankrupt-- including the diocese led by the president of the bishops' conference. There are dioceses closing parish churches by the dozens. There are seminary rectors and religious provincials vowing to defy a directive from the Vatican. There are Catholic politicians supporting abortion and Catholic couples getting divorced and Catholic teenagers shacking up and Catholic colleges teaching heresy and Catholic priests going to jail.

So it's no surprise that the top item on the agenda, as evidenced by the press advisory from the bishops' conference, will be...the death penalty.

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  • Posted by: Vincit omnia amor - Oct. 04, 2005 10:15 PM ET USA

    Checked the rates for that period. Amounts to @ $400 PER NIGHT (or, $1,200 for the stay) for a room. (of course, the Bishops probably got a better corporate/group rate). this doesn't include meals.

  • Posted by: Vincit omnia amor - Oct. 04, 2005 2:05 PM ET USA

    Eleazar, that's a great suggestion! But only a true LEADER would do that. And, frjimc, nice thought...besides the room rate, I'd like to see the dinner menu! And just think, our offerings to the Church in America make all this possible...

  • Posted by: - Oct. 04, 2005 1:49 PM ET USA

    Almighty God, we beg you, your humble servants....we beseach Thee - raise up holy prelates the likes of St Charles Borromeo to guide your Holy and Apostolic Church, to lead your people to salvation. Please end this dissent, confusion and lack of orthodoxy. How many? How many of your souls Lord are lost due to lack of good and true shepherds?

  • Posted by: Convert1994 - Oct. 04, 2005 12:54 PM ET USA

    If these shepherds would consider St. Paul's command to "Preach Christ and Him crucified," then all would be well. The US bishops remind me of the Central American bishops in the late 1970s and 1980s who embraced heretical liberation theology. Thank God JP2 came to Mexico in 1979 and squashed the movement flat, saying, "True liberation is liberation from sin." B16 needs to come to the US and take these Judas bishops to the woodshed and then give red hats to Burke, Chaput, and Bruskewitz.

  • Posted by: benedictusoblatus - Oct. 04, 2005 12:35 PM ET USA

    They are just warming up for a debate on Judgment Day. The USCCB will then stand "toe-to-toe" with Almighty God protesting the unhappy fate of so many poor unfortunates who failed to take the narrow way that leads to life.

  • Posted by: frjimc - Oct. 04, 2005 12:15 PM ET USA

    And -- surprise of surprises -- the Church apparently takes no position on abortion. http://www.usccb.org/comm/cip.shtml Who ARE these people?

  • Posted by: frjimc - Oct. 04, 2005 12:10 PM ET USA

    I am particularly happy that the bishops have chosen to meet where they have. In the description of the rooms they'll be occupying, it says that their quarters will accomodate up to four persons. I presume this means that, in order to preserve a spirit of evangelical poverty and to edify their brothers and sisters who pay the tab for their meetings, they will be bunking four to a room. After all, the rental of such commodious accomodations couldn't have been for any other purpose, could it?

  • Posted by: Eleazar - Oct. 04, 2005 12:08 PM ET USA

    May I suggest that instead of meeting at the Hyatt, the bishops convene at Sussex I State Prison; home of Virginia’s “death row,” so they can see first hand that incarcerating convicted murderers in a “maximum security” prison does not mitigate the threat that they pose to each other, other inmates, the staff or the citizenry. I’m sure that they will the experience insightful and those little cells make excellent prayer venues, though the beds and the food not at all up to the Hyatt’s standards.

  • Posted by: Sir William - Oct. 04, 2005 11:58 AM ET USA

    This is the same sort of diversion my children try with me when they don't want to do the work expected of them: choose an effortless, almost needless task and forcefully offer to do that instead. I expect this from 6-12 year olds; I expect better from Christ's shepherds. Pathetic, isn't it?

  • Posted by: Vincit omnia amor - Oct. 04, 2005 11:56 AM ET USA

    Nero fiddles while Rome burns. They miss the fact that abortion is never morally justified whereas the death penalty can be. even so, let's say for the sake of argument they are of equal weight morally. that said, consider this: from 1976 until this day in 2005 there have been 985 executions under the "death penalty." Since "Roe v Wade" in 1973 until this date there have been over 46 MILLION INNOCENT lives taken in abortion. Maybe they'll deny Holy Communion to pro-death penalty politicos?

  • Posted by: - Oct. 04, 2005 11:05 AM ET USA

    The Church has spoken definitively on the death penalty. What’s to discuss? Also, isn’t it interesting that the engineers of the New Order train wreck find it necessary, once again, to tinker with the order of the Mass? And will someone please explain to me why we need a “Lectionary for Masses with Children” when today’s simplistic message is that Jesus was a nice guy and everyone gets to go to Heaven. Look, Peter, look! See the bishops meet. Run, Jesus, run!

  • Posted by: Lucius - Oct. 04, 2005 10:08 AM ET USA

    Will the bishops acknowledge that the death penalty is part of Catholic teaching, albeit in very restricted circumstances? CCC #2267. Even in the context of a consistent ethic of life approach, evils like euthanasia and abortion are intrinsically evil while the death penalty is not. Unfortunately the bishops continue to be media driven/PC driven leaves twisting in the wind instead of establishing their own priorities based on the needs of the Church. God help us. St. John Fisher pray for us.

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