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By Diogenes (articles ) | May 23, 2005

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  • Posted by: - May. 24, 2005 11:05 AM ET USA

    Based on what little I can actually see, certainly I am willing to think that the Oakland cathedral may end up being quite beautiful. Surely B. Vigneron will have instructed the architect on orientation etc.

  • Posted by: - May. 24, 2005 9:39 AM ET USA

    Don't lay this one on Vigneron. It was in the works when he got to Oakland. He knows how to choose his battles. Do you think he is going to ditch something the former bishop started? Instead, look for subtle changes in design, particularly in the interior. That's my speculation.

  • Posted by: dover beachcomber - May. 24, 2005 2:20 AM ET USA

    Even in comparatively temperate Oakland, it gets HOT in the Bay Area for most of the summer. It's very nice for the neighbors that the glass won't be reflective, but all that solar energy still has to go somewhere -- and if it's not going to be reflected, it must either heat up the glass or pass through to the interior. This cathedral is likely to be an inferno -- which, come to think of it, is all too appropriate.

  • Posted by: - May. 23, 2005 10:15 PM ET USA

    ... and to think the design was inspired by a torn, upside-down Dixie cup someone dropped on Harrison Street! Think ABC's Extreme Makeover: Home Edition will drop by to salvage this tragedy?

  • Posted by: Fr. William - May. 23, 2005 8:32 PM ET USA

    Again, people know Sacred architecture and art as soon as they see it. How could anyone, from the plans we have seen thus far, see the Sacred in an inverted barque of Peter that is being proposed as a Roman Catholic cathedral for Oakland? What exactly is helping us raise our minds and hearts to God by seeing this building? Most importantly, inside the "cathedral," will the Holy Eucharist will be given the central position in the church, directly behind the altar?

  • Posted by: patriot6908 - May. 23, 2005 8:03 PM ET USA

    Spooky! A New Age monstrosity. The architects should be blinded and have their hands amputated so that they will never design another piece of repulsive ugliness.

  • Posted by: Gil125 - May. 23, 2005 7:06 PM ET USA

    And Bishop Vigneron has the reputation of being a conservative. What kind of Cathedral do you suppose a liberal would build? Of course, we were promised Archbishop Levada was a conservative when he came here.

  • Posted by: - May. 23, 2005 5:56 PM ET USA

    "It helps to picture an inverted wooden sailing ship, with two curved sides rising to the sky until they almost meet." -- from those responsible for the horror. http://www.insidebayarea.com/localnews/ci_2750763 Ha! How appropriate that it should resemble the barque of Peter turned up-side-down. Just because it's not as bad as OL Angels in LA, does not excuse this unmitigated ugliness.

  • Posted by: Fr. William - May. 23, 2005 5:47 PM ET USA

    Is this "cathedral" the BEST that Bp.Vigneron & the Oakland folks can do at $100+ million? Is this for the greater glory of God? There's a phrase: "there is no accounting for taste," but this is not about "taste." This is a Roman Catholic Cathedral. It should help people raise their heart/mind to God as soon as they it. Even I, as a lowly priest, know Sacred architecture when I see it. So, again, in the light of Sacred Tradition & architecture, is this the BEST that those folks can do for God?

  • Posted by: - May. 23, 2005 5:09 PM ET USA

    Take a look at www.traditio.com/comment/com0505y.jpg for an interior view. Does it look like ad orientem celebration of the Mass is anticipated?

  • Posted by: Novus744 - May. 23, 2005 2:46 PM ET USA

    Football stadium is exactly what I thought too... Maybe it will be used more for entertainment purposes than the sacrifice of the Mass. That will help the community grow...

  • Posted by: Andy K - May. 23, 2005 1:06 PM ET USA

    From the description, it sounds like it will be beautiful. It looks different, but it has character. Much better than the outer edifice of Our Lady of the Angels in Los Angeles, as this one will have windows! Perhaps it is also being built to naturally amplify sound, as it looks like it could do that. The Church has urged beauty in the arts for centuries; hopefully this will meet it. Also compare the proposed budgets for both; Bishop Vigneron knows finances!

  • Posted by: Vincit omnia amor - May. 23, 2005 11:44 AM ET USA

    What the heck are they thinking? Looks like they're trying to keep up with the Joneses ala "The Crystal Cathedral." I would hope that the faithful who are giving for this plan will reconsider their pledges.

  • Posted by: - May. 23, 2005 10:53 AM ET USA

    It looks more like an overgrown football stadium without a cross. And, by the way, which direction does it face? East has been the traditional direction, west has been the recent anit-traditional direction; this thing looks like it is off the reservation entirely.

  • Posted by: - May. 23, 2005 10:15 AM ET USA

    Whaddya mean? You don't like a church to look like a nuclear power plant????

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