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a church without liturgists?

By Diogenes (articles ) | Nov 10, 2004

Soulforce recently staged a vigil to protest the Catholic Church's teaching on sodomy.

"We're being treated like witches and infidels by the church," said Cara Speltz, a Catholic protester in San Francisco who said she's been refused Communion twice for wearing a rainbow cross. "Our goal is to touch them in their hearts," Speltz said. "We are the choir directors. We are the liturgists. We are the ones keeping this church going in some cases."

Well, my heart is touched. At least my pulse is noticeably quickened.

Remember the semi-annual "Day Without Art" stunt that AIDS activists used to pull? The idea was to remove or cover up contemporary sculpture and paintings for 24 hours in order to make us aware of the inroads into the artist community made by HIV-related fatalities, that we might shudder at the prospect of being bereft of so much beauty and thus call for increased research funding, etc.

Unwittingly, perhaps, Ms. Speltz has shocked us into confronting the same predicament closer to home. Take a deep breath, boys and girls, and close your eyes, and try, just try to imagine a Church without liturgists ...

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  • Posted by: - Nov. 16, 2004 3:52 PM ET USA

    ‘‘They talk about us being objectively disordered. Later they say you’re supposed to love everybody,’’ said Soulforce member Chris Merritt Is there any way to make Chris understand that telling him the truth is indeed a loving thing to do?

  • Posted by: snowbird - Nov. 13, 2004 9:07 AM ET USA

    Abuses stem from ignorance. To have read a few booklets and attended L.A.'s Religious Education Congress does not qualify one for the job. Whatever happened to going to Mass and actually praying in place of being subjected to a celebrant with ego problems directing the "show" together with his assorted minions all "helping Father." Give me strength! Will selling tickets to the 10AM Sunday Mass be far off?

  • Posted by: Fr. William - Nov. 12, 2004 1:06 AM ET USA

    Oh, yeah, I recognize this pagan ritual... it's the "Barrabas dance." Why is it happening in a Roman Catholic Church? Is there any possibility of including a "prayer of the faithful" for the temporary crippling of a person whenever that person is tempted to dance at the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass?

  • Posted by: - Nov. 11, 2004 8:22 AM ET USA

    That is St. Ignatius Church at Boston College. I went to Mass there maybe three or four times, once voluntarily. Never again. I'm a priest and I don't have to deal with liturgists, Jesuits, dancers, homosexual directors of left-wing liturgical grim.

  • Posted by: Gil125 - Nov. 10, 2004 7:39 PM ET USA

    Actually, there's a very heartening statement in this. "Cara Speltz, a Catholic protester in San Francisco who said she's been refused Communion twice for wearing a rainbow cross" That's truly amazing. Before I saw that I'd have bet a fair chunk of cash that nobody could be refused Communion anywhere in this Archdiocese for wearing a rainbow anything. That it happened to her is truly wonderful!

  • Posted by: AveMaria580 - Nov. 10, 2004 6:04 PM ET USA

    Peter Kreeft has Snakebite in his SNAKEBITE LETTERS write to Braintwister that hell has successfully sabotaged the liturgy because there is an even higher percentage of gays among liturgists than there is in the priesthood. I can believe it. The QUEER EYE FOR THE STRAIGHT GUY has invaded the liturgy. It explains the abuses, triteness and banality. A strong liturgy requires emotional, spiritual and intellectual maturity which isn't found among many liturgists. We can do without liturgists.

  • Posted by: - Nov. 10, 2004 4:44 PM ET USA

    A church without Liturgists would be a foretaste of Heaven. Why do we need people to think up new and innovative abuses? There's no shortage of instruction coming out of the Vatican on how to conduct Mass. My parish had a liturgist. He took it upon himself to add names to the Litany of Saints at the Easter Vigil! I recall Gandhi, Martin Luther King, Steve Biko, and Cesar Chavez..... Could we just eliminate that L word from the dictionary?

  • Posted by: - Nov. 10, 2004 4:14 PM ET USA

    This photo depicts exactly the kind of liturgy that a certain good priest refers to publicly as a New Order "Mess." Mess, indeed! Ladies and gents, if you think this sort of nonsense is rare, I invite you to go to www.traditio.com and review their Novus Ordo Service Photo Gallery. I promise, you will be delightfully entertained.

  • Posted by: - Nov. 10, 2004 4:08 PM ET USA

    Diogenes, this picture is hilarious. Where do you get this stuff? The, uh, guy in this thing is clearly a recent graduate of the Sankt Poellten Academy of Liturgical Dance in Austria. I recognize the dynamics, the je ne cest quoi.

  • Posted by: frjimc - Nov. 10, 2004 1:58 PM ET USA

    The picture looks suspiciously like St. Ignatius in Newton, MA, where a tall thin Jesuit man who likes show tunes and liturgical dance is the pastor. I have had the misfortune of attending "Mass" there when danskins and leotards were the "uniform of the day" and Holy Spirit was forcibly given a sex-change operation and was referred to as "she." This selfsame pastor spends valuable pastoral hours each year preparing "A Dancer's Christmas" -- a showcase for his many non-pastoral talents. So sad

  • Posted by: Gerry H - Nov. 10, 2004 12:49 PM ET USA

    Good heavens, just think! We might rediscover our liturgical patrimony! Last year, at the Chrism Mass, our Archbishop began the Gloria by chanting, "Gloria in excelsis Deo!," and the choir continued with the Gloria from the Mass of the Angels. At least Ithink they did. The congregation was singing so loud you could barely hear them. The sooner we ditch the Barry Manilow does Rod McEwan 70's style "liturgy," the better. It's wedded to that age, and it's now widowed.

  • Posted by: lrslattery - Nov. 10, 2004 12:23 PM ET USA

    My joking aside, I believe we would be much better off without most of the 'trained liturgists" who have acquired a warped understanding of the theology and sacramental nature of the Holy Mass and who are determined to further the advancement of their heterdox beliefs on the faithful.

  • Posted by: - Nov. 10, 2004 11:42 AM ET USA

    This picture reflects much of what is wrong with modern Catholicism. I know this type of sacrilege doesn't happen everywhere ... but the fact that it happens at all is the problem. St. Pius X wouldn't put up with this. It reflects a radically different belief which is NOT Catholic. The fact that the modern Mass can be offered in this kind of environment is evidence enough to confirm all the criticism leveled against it. It is an abomination in need of suppression.

  • Posted by: Abraham Tolemahcs - Nov. 10, 2004 11:40 AM ET USA

    He touched my gag reflex. Any suggestions on cleaning a keyboard? Did this guy grow the beard especially for the part?

  • Posted by: - Nov. 10, 2004 10:25 AM ET USA

    "Our goal is to touch them in their hearts," Speltz said. If the touching was limited to hearts - there wouldn't be a problem...

  • Posted by: lrslattery - Nov. 10, 2004 9:38 AM ET USA

    "a church without liturgists?"....sounds like a day without sunshine!

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