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Code words

By Diogenes (articles ) | Aug 27, 2004

Try to guess: Who's the speaker, and what's the audience? (Hint: the speech was vigorously applauded.)

We need to be aware that a certain threat to women’s rights is also posed by the resurgence, particularly in the United States, of Christian fundamentalism, and the alliance of countries influenced by fundamentalist thinking evident at recent world conferences.

Hillary Clinton speaking to a Democratic fundraiser? No. Read on.

After some hesitation I accepted the invitation in order to bring home the threat posed to women’s health and reproductive rights.

Ah, "reproductive rights;" we all know what that means. This must be Kate Michelperson, at a NARAL rally. Sorry, wrong again.

To combat the resurgence of fundamentalisms, I believe it is necessary for faith adherents to place the empowerment of women at the centre of their own strategic thinking. Women must be enabled to participate fully and equally in decision making within the faiths themselves..

Hmm. Obviously a feminist, talking to a feminist audience. Maybe Helen Reddy, at the Women's Ordination Conference? Close, but still not quite right.

The speaker is Mary Robinson, the former president of Ireland and UN Human Rights Commissioner.

Oh, I remember her! She's the one who went out of her way to "dis" the Pope during a private audience. That figures. But what was the audience?

The leaders of women's religious orders in the US.

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  • Posted by: Fr. William - Sep. 01, 2004 11:57 AM ET USA

    Yes, leaders of women religious continue to actively practice vocational contraception. They & their orders are dying out & will die out. In the meantime, we need to minimize damage that they continue to do in their attempts to mislead & misguide the people they are "serving": hospital patients, parishioners & school children. Meanwhile, the major superiors of women religious & their traditional orders that focus on poverty, chastity, obedience, community, apostolate, & wear a habit, flourish.

  • Posted by: AveMaria580 - Aug. 30, 2004 8:02 PM ET USA

    It is as likely that religious orders will be suppressed as it is that they will shut down seminaries controlled by the lavendar mafia.

  • Posted by: - Aug. 29, 2004 2:21 PM ET USA

    It seems to me that the greatest threat to women's rights and human dignity comes from those females who do not wish to be LADIES, and who try constantly to become men, or at least to act like certain men, particularly longshoremen.It almost looks as if the "longshoreWOmen" have infiltrated and taken over many (most ?) of the "women's [?] religious orders in the US. If such is the case, these orders should be disbanded, suppressed, ended, and the members sent packing to cool off in Antarctica.

  • Posted by: - Aug. 28, 2004 9:32 AM ET USA

    Bob, I'll bet many faithful religious would agree that the solution to this perennial problem is a dramatic pruning of the orders. Suppression of most and consolidation of the few Catholic religious who remain into smaller more relgious religious orders would be a service to the Church and all humanity. To do this we will need a pope with the faith of St. Athanasius, the strength of St. Pius X and the tact of St. Jerome to show these spotted toads the door. Harpies depart!

  • Posted by: - Aug. 27, 2004 2:09 PM ET USA

    We should not forget there are truly religious women and men in these orders. You should not generally paint all religious in such broad strokes because of the stupidity and heresy of others. Instead, we all should request a Mass be said for the loyal and selfless members of religious orders who serve Jesus in and out of season. That they stay strong and hold the line while serving Christ.

  • Posted by: - Aug. 27, 2004 1:36 PM ET USA

    On the LCWR web site, there is actually a picture of nuns wearing habits. http://www.lcwr.org/photo_cuba_formation.html

  • Posted by: AveMaria580 - Aug. 27, 2004 1:09 PM ET USA

    When the LCWR was trashing the religious orders they had such speakers as Mary Daly who wrote BEYOND GOD THE FATHER: A MANUAL FOR WOMEN'S LIBERATION. She blames 'patriarchy for everything.' These women glorify victimhood because it gives them power. (see Tammy Bruce's THE DEATH OF RIGHT AND WRONG: EXPOSING THE LEFT'S ASSUALT ON OUR CULTURE AND VALUES. Bruce is a self-identifed lesbian who is calling for a return to Christian values although she is pro-choice. Still, its pathetic.

  • Posted by: patriot6908 - Aug. 27, 2004 12:51 PM ET USA

    Why am I not surprised!? These nuns now creaking thru AARP and beyond were raised on Betty Friedan and Simone De Beauvior, a drunk ,and a procurer, respectively. Why should they not clap for Mary whose ideas of a tolerant, loving, child-raising society might be found in the dimmer writings of Solzhenitsyn. Did they have liturgical dancers at this hootenany, I wonder?

  • Posted by: - Aug. 27, 2004 11:17 AM ET USA

    I guess it all depends on your nationality. Mrs. Robinson mentions her 'Jewish friends' in Ireland. I suspect she doesn't have many 'Jewish friends' in Israel - or here in the US. Think: UN Durban Conference Against Racism in 2001 chaired by Mrs. Robinson, which sought to label Israel as the most racist state in the world. Funny, I don't recall our Mary 'picketing' there or objecting to the blatant racism being advanced by Arab delegates. Threat...? What threat...?

  • Posted by: - Aug. 27, 2004 10:20 AM ET USA

    These religious are a "thundering disgrace" Fr. Pat Dowling

  • Posted by: Pseudodionysius - Aug. 27, 2004 9:44 AM ET USA

    I notice that the footnote in the article refers to everyone's favorite old woman in a man's body -- Hans Kung. It does give one pause. My German is quite rusty, but is Hans Kung a teutonic translation of Helen Reddy? I am theologian here me roar, in numbers too big to ignore. I am theologian.

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