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How soon they forget

By Domenico Bettinelli, Jr. (articles ) | May 05, 2004

Looks like there's a papal nuncio who needs recalling to Rome. Archbishop Manuel Monteiro de Castro, the nuncio to Spain, gave a speech to the country's bishops in which he said that, while we shouldn't call gay unions marriages, the state should grant them certain civil rights.

Excuse me, Your Eminence, but perhaps you need to re-read "Considerations Regarding Proposals to Give Legal Recognition to Unions Between Homosexual Persons". The thing came out less than year ago and already he seems to have forgotten it. Here's a quick reminder: "The Church teaches that respect for homosexual persons cannot lead in any way to approval of homosexual behaviour or to legal recognition of homosexual unions.... Legal recognition of homosexual unions or placing them on the same level as marriage would mean not only the approval of deviant behaviour, with the consequence of making it a model in present-day society, but would also obscure basic values which belong to the common inheritance of humanity."

Archbishop Monteiro, call your office!

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  • Posted by: - May. 07, 2004 1:27 PM ET USA

    Guardian is about as reliable a source as Al-Jazeera. Get a clue.

  • Posted by: - May. 07, 2004 5:31 AM ET USA

    On translations: The comments section on Amy Welborn's blog says everything I wanted to say but didn't know how... http://amywelborn.typepad.com/openbook/2004/05/from_a_reader.html#comments

  • Posted by: - May. 07, 2004 5:25 AM ET USA

    What did the Nuncio told the Bishops ? The site of the spanish episcopal conference presents the offical Nuncio remarks and in the press clippings area lists the article which I have mentioned before. The source of The Guardian was the spanish media. The only spanish media article I could find is the one I mentioned. So, in whom shall we believe the original source or the distorted Guardian article ?

  • Posted by: - May. 07, 2004 5:21 AM ET USA

    a) First, the Nuncio clearly and unambiguously state that same sex civil unions run against Church doctrine. b) Afterwards, he clearly says that Marriage is between a man a woman. (The context of this statemente is the following: Spain already allows same sex civil unions and the government is currently planning to allow same sex "marriage". In the course b), the Nuncio uses the expression "...está bien..., pero...". The literal english translation is wrong. And if true would contradict a)

  • Posted by: extremeCatholic - May. 06, 2004 3:37 PM ET USA

    Las otras formas de convivencia está bien que sean reconocidas. What part of "está bien" is distorted? In English "good" or as an adverb "well".

  • Posted by: - May. 06, 2004 3:11 PM ET USA

    As has been noted elsewhere Joao, this is about what the Nuncio told the BISHOPS... That he had a different story for the journalists only adds to the 'confusion' - which appears to be entirely in the Nuncio's head.

  • Posted by: - May. 06, 2004 11:07 AM ET USA

    Perhaps the archbishop prophetically reminds us to leave to Caesar, Caesar's things and set our own house in order. The greatest undermining of Christ's insistence on the indissoluble nature of the marriage bond has already been accomplished by the wizards of our own marriage tribunals and their phenomenon of null. Our nuptial rites should conclude with the the minister's disclaimer: "Although we can't guarantee anything has actually happened here let us go forth and act as if.."

  • Posted by: - May. 06, 2004 10:44 AM ET USA

    As far as the poetry goes ... at least the Holy Father doesn't play the fiddle.

  • Posted by: - May. 06, 2004 9:37 AM ET USA

    THE GUARDIAN LIED !!!!! The original Spanis Press report (http://es.news.yahoo.com/040503/4/3e3fb.html): "...monseñor Monteiro manifestó a un grupo de periodistas que "las uniones homosexuales son totalmente contrarias a la doctrina de la Iglesia. Tal postura (la legalización de estas uniones) está claramente en contra de la línea de la Iglesia".

  • Posted by: - May. 06, 2004 9:19 AM ET USA

    PRESS DISTORTION ? In the press clippings section of the Spanish Episcopal Conference: "El Nuncio en España considera que la legalización de uniones homosexuales está totalmente en contra de la doctrina de la Iglesia Conferencia Episcopal Española." (Europa Press — 05/05/2004). Rough translation: legalising homosexual unions totally contradicts Church Doctrine. (link: http://www.conferenciaepiscopal.es/indicesprensa/default2.asp?fecha=05%2F05%2F04&Submit=Ver%2BNoticias&offset=10)

  • Posted by: - May. 05, 2004 10:59 PM ET USA

    Oh good. This means we'll get a nice book of poetry from the Pope before he makes the archbishop a cardinal. Love those poems and plays.

  • Posted by: Pseudodionysius - May. 05, 2004 10:56 PM ET USA

    Nice to see that there's clerical equivocators in terrorist laden Spain, in addition to the political ones. Hail Caesar.

  • Posted by: - May. 05, 2004 6:33 PM ET USA

    What "great" brain suggested that this fellow be named an archbishop? For that matter, how did he ever make it through the seminary? Ooohh...never mind...I think I understand how this all fits together now. Do you think that we should send several copies of "Goodbye Good Men" to Rome?

  • Posted by: AveMaria580 - May. 05, 2004 5:58 PM ET USA

    Another occurrence in Narnia: "But as for Aslan himself, the Beavers and the children didn't know what to do or say when they saw him. People who have not been in Narnia sometimes think that a thing cannot be good and terrible at the same time." - "The Lion, The Witch and The Wardrobe" People don't realized that God's goodness and love are part of him holiness. God is not a sentimental romantic. Mr. Beaver said, "'Course he isn't safe. But he's good." His goodness is a consuming fire.

  • Posted by: - May. 05, 2004 3:55 PM ET USA

    It isn't pleasant living through the Great Apostasy. God deliver us!

  • Posted by: - May. 05, 2004 3:39 PM ET USA

    Why should all the heresay be confined to our territorial Bishops and Archbishops..come on spread the joy of confusion....I bet there is no public condemnation from the Vatican.....any takers???

  • Posted by: Laertides - May. 05, 2004 2:35 PM ET USA

    "We call it 'Going Bad' in Narnia." -- The Voyage of the Dawn Treader

  • Posted by: - May. 05, 2004 2:33 PM ET USA

    To suggest that remarks like this are embarrassing or annoying to those in charge in Rome is, at first glance, reasonable. But this drama plays itself out so frequently nowadays that I am suspicious that "those in charge in Rome" are hell bent on destroying what remains of the credibility of the Church's hierarchy. The modern Church is all about everyone's rights - everyone except God Who is everyday ignored or abused. The loss of supernatural faith ... St. Pius V pray for us!

  • Posted by: - May. 05, 2004 2:33 PM ET USA

    Don’t worry, my conservative brothers and sisters. Tomorrow we will read of the Pope’s public denunciation of Monteiro’s remarks. And, surely, he will be recalled. Yeah... right!

  • Posted by: Brad - May. 05, 2004 1:53 PM ET USA

    I wonder what percentage of all priests and bishops have even read this document. It doesn't seem like many.

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